Needs Help: Critical Research Failure

That's one option, but we should probably make a crowner.

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Personally I would go with simple errors that could be corrected by simple googling it but are not used in such a way that is central to the work, central to the plot would be Artistic License as it is used to make the world work.

Things like 1.21 jiggawats in Back To The Future and such.

edited 10th Jan '18 2:13:09 AM by Memers

Crowner.

There's not option for "leave as is" because downvoting all the other options means that.

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Base on Game Theory's analysis and research-based premise and nature, should the CriticalResearchFailure.Game Theory Web Show page be split into DanBrowned.Game Theory Web Show and CowboyBebopAtHisComputer.Game Theory Web Show?

edited 10th Jan '18 8:22:44 AM by Albert3105

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I think one or both of those tropes would make more sense even if this one isn't made IUEO. If CRF is indeed for research errors related to common knowledge, then I feel that assuming certain pop culture facts are common knowledge is Fan Myopia. However, the existence of that page is probably due to misuse to mean any research error and not Fan Myopia, akin how the since-deleted Did Not Do the Research pages for The Angry Video Game Nerd and The Nostalgia Critic misused DNDTR to refer to research errors in general when it was actually an index.

edited 10th Jan '18 8:22:32 PM by GastonRabbit

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So should we start cleaning up the Critical Research Failure examples and moving several of them to:

• Dan Browned (the work gives an impression that it did research, but incorrect stuff appears anyway, derailing its credibility)
• Artistic License (a work relies on something incorrect for the plot to work)
• Cowboy BeBop at His Computer (incorrect information about other people's works that people familiar with the work may know is wrong, but non-familiars may not know that)

The crowner shows a very clear consensus that we should tighten up on what examples would really qualify as Critical Research Failure.

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In addition, I just remembered the Conviction by Counterfactual Clue trope, in which several of the Game Theory Web Show CRF examples could also find a new home.

edited 10th Jan '18 9:44:47 PM by Albert3105

I'm not sure I understand why Artistic License examples should be removed if the example isn't about the effect on the plot. There are plenty of subtropes already for background effects rather than inaccuracies needed to make the story work.

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x4 The option to clarify and tighten the definition seems to be the most popular, so that sounds like what would be done after the crowner closes, but I think we should wait until after a decision is made before doing anything major. Either way, I don't see there being much of an overlap between Critical Research Failure and Cowboy BeBop at His Computer, contrary to what the former's main page says now.

edited 13th Jan '18 4:25:50 AM by GastonRabbit

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Since the definition hasn't actually changed, I would guess this option really just says

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Pretty much, plus the description could use some tweaking, if the fact that it became less clear over the years is any indication.

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So can we move the CriticalResearchFailure.Game Theory Web Show page to DanBrowned.Game Theory Web Show?

Post #9 gives pretty good evidence/reasoning for the decay stemming from people trying to shoehorn Did Not Do The Research examples into an alternative trope once the original was cut. Doesn't actually come from the definition/description/above-the-line-information.

edited 15th Jan '18 9:02:33 AM by crazysamaritan

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That's exactly what we're trying to avoid.

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I wasn't talking about the definition in my reply to you; I said the description became less clear, referring to how the note covering what doesn't count as an example became significantly less detailed over time and was eventually removed, and how I also disagree with the current description's comparison between this trope and Cowboy BeBop at His Computer. While it isn't a perfect solution, "Not Making This Up" Disclaimer has a prominent note saying not to use it in the way that got I Am Not Making This Up cut.

Edit: Also, if you've been implying I said the definition changed, you're confusing what I said with what the crowner says. I said the definition needs to be clarified, and unclear descriptions are grounds for a TRS thread on their own.

edited 14th Jan '18 9:53:00 PM by GastonRabbit

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I edited my previous post.

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Never mind.

edited 15th Jan '18 1:32:47 PM by Lymantria

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I never denied that misuse migrated from DNDTR, especially because I previously compared the current CRF page for Game Theory to the PRLCed Web Video DNDTR pages. What I am disagreeing with is the idea that simply cleaning up misuse is enough to prevent further misuse, especially because the descriptions of some tropes, like "Not Making This Up" Disclaimer and Crazy Awesome, explicitly address misuse. Adding such a note isn't the only way to change the description, but it's something that used to be on the page for this trope.

edited 16th Jan '18 3:02:36 AM by GastonRabbit

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Yeah.

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Okay. Post #38 seemed to place blame of misuse wholly on the description rather than on shoehorns for a deleted trope. Thus I wished to communicate my opinion that restoring the warning does not resolve the underlying issue.

The warning is a good idea anyway, and I suggest a commented-out link to this thread for reference to discourage random tropers from modifying/deleting the warning.

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How should we stop shoehorned examples that are "any inaccuracy I don't like"?

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Bring back Did Not Do The Research since deleting it is what bit us in the ass and caused the misuse in the first place?

edited 23rd Jan '18 1:52:04 PM by shoboni