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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#51: Jun 24th 2018 at 9:08:43 AM

[up][up]Clearly several people will be surprised as this somehow got 11079 backers and just under 3 million bucks.

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#52: Jun 24th 2018 at 8:35:22 PM

If any former console maker should return to the market, it's Sega. The original Atari died ages ago.

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#53: Jun 24th 2018 at 9:23:28 PM

Reminds me of this Jimquisition bit on Atari

Atari's creative juices ran dry a while ago.

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#54: Jun 25th 2018 at 2:49:52 AM

[up][up]No, they shouldn't. Sega does not do well with consoles.

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#55: Jun 25th 2018 at 3:10:42 AM

I still remember the days of the Genesis and Sega's desperate floundering attempts to keep it on life support (as AVGN put it) with things like the 32X and the Sega CD.

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#56: Jun 25th 2018 at 4:07:30 AM

[up][up] the only way SEGA should return to the Console Market is if its like the Atari VCS. It is also the only way Nintendo should remain in the console market.

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#57: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:25:44 AM

Nintendo has found large amounts of success, particularly with the Switch, without imitating not-Atari's business model. I see no reason why that should change.

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#58: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:45:59 AM

The Dreamcast was nearly twenty years ago. There's no real reason to assume they'd still mismanage a new console.

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#59: Jun 25th 2018 at 10:26:10 AM

[up] It wasn't just the Dreamcast. Sega had a history of mismanaging hardware development. There's a reason I mentioned the 32X and Sega CD. And let's be honest, the Saturn wasn't such hot shit either.

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#60: Jun 25th 2018 at 10:40:33 AM

My point is that Sega hasn't done anything with hardware for twenty years. Basically none of their old anti-feats (to borrow a term from /r/WhoWouldWin) are relevant anymore.

edited 25th Jun '18 11:24:38 AM by Yinyang107

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#61: Jun 25th 2018 at 11:17:16 AM

Besides, Sega has had a major shift in management recently. There's no reason to believe that they'll automatically make the same mistakes they did in the 90's.

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#62: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:02:57 PM

the only way SEGA should return to the Console Market is if its like the Atari VCS. It is also the only way Nintendo should remain in the console market.

What?

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#63: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:23:48 PM

Thing is, the current Sega even messed up Sega Genesis Classics.

And you think these chucklefucks would be able to create a brand new console?

i guess there are still enough people nostalgic about Sega consoles that they'd be willing to crowdfund a new console, but...

edited 25th Jun '18 7:24:28 PM by M84

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#64: Jun 26th 2018 at 6:06:53 PM

Let's consider sales.

8-bit era

  • Master System: 13 million, though apparently there's been a revival in Brazil with new units being made.
  • NES: 61.9 million
  • Atari 7800: 5 million

16-bit era

  • Mega Drive: 35.25 million, including licensed 3rd-party units
  • SNES: 49.1 million
  • TurboGrafx: 5.8 million
  • Neo Geo: 980,000
  • CD-i: 200,000

32 and 64 bit era

  • Saturn: 9.3 million
  • Nintendo 64: 32.9 million
  • PS1: 102.5 million
  • Jaguar: < 250,000
  • 3DO: 2 million

128-bit era

  • Dreamcast: 9.1 million
  • GameCube: 21.7 million
  • PS2: 155 million
  • XBox 0: 24 million

Handhelds

  • Game Gear: 10.6 million
  • Game Boy: 118.7 million (includes mono and colour)
  • Atari Lynx: 3 million
  • TurboExpress: 1.5 million

Sega's biggest success was the Mega Drive, and even it just barely sold better than the N64, which was considered a disappointment (though that's really because Sony skewed the curve). Sure, Sega might have success if they re-entered the console market, but history is not on their side. Also they'd need a damn good console to persuade people to buy Sega instead of one of the current Big Three.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Jun 26th 2018 at 2:09:23 PM

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#65: Jun 26th 2018 at 8:21:06 PM

Sega would also need some amazing console exclusives for their hypothetical new system.

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#66: Jun 26th 2018 at 8:39:31 PM

Would they even be willing to make Sonic a single console game? Remember, Mario and Sonic are the best selling Sonic games of all time.

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#67: Jun 26th 2018 at 8:41:58 PM

Sega currently has a good thing going with their new "friendship" with Nintendo. They aren't going to risk it by dipping their toes into a pool they already nearly drowned in years ago.

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#68: Jun 26th 2018 at 11:33:02 PM

I can't understand why anyone would shell out for "old skool" stuff like this when you can emulate it free.

And before anyone goes "It's not the same playing it on a monitor!", it's literally child's play to output though a TV.

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#70: Jun 27th 2018 at 5:18:54 AM

Would they even be willing to make Sonic a single console game? Remember, Mario and Sonic are the best selling Sonic games of all time.

One might argue that's more due to the (lack of) quality in Sonic games not made by fans.

And really, speaking of Sega exclusive, so many of Sega's Subsidiaries would be useless to making console games. Like, do you expect Creative Assembly to whip out a Total War game to play on console? Can you even imagine how that'd turn out?

Edited by Ghilz on Jun 27th 2018 at 8:21:33 AM

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#71: Jun 27th 2018 at 5:35:52 AM

[up][up][up] Some people aren't okay with piracy. Plus, loads of people don't even know what emulation is.

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#72: Jun 27th 2018 at 7:23:09 AM

Has Sonic Mania even reached Sonic 1's numbers?

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#73: Jun 27th 2018 at 7:26:36 AM

Probably not. It's got a steep hill to climb.

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#74: Jun 27th 2018 at 9:53:08 AM

So who wants to bet that this Atari VCS will not even be able to play classic Atari games like Tempest or Asteroids or Pong correctly at launch? Assuming it ever does launch?

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#75: Jun 27th 2018 at 10:26:57 AM

Meh, I'd assume it can (if it comes out). I mean, even if you're running a scam, you could get those to play. A calculator can get those to play. If you're going to release a box that can't play pong, you might as well just run away with the money and not release anything.

My doubts are far more on if it'll ever come out, the quality of the thing, and its ability to run modern stuff (if it has any).


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