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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#151: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:20:49 PM

[up]Oh. I thought you meant actual Paedertia or something. Yeah, Leonardo and his pupil were a thing and Leonardo was actually gay, but Ubisoft had the writer tone that down in the first game (Historically, Leonardo was charged with sodomy about a few months to a year before the game began). They only ultimately included it in the DLC and, even then, its hardly discussed. He's just kind of... there?

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#152: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:29:01 PM

Yeah, you are right it's not technically pederasty as Salai while being much younger is still an adult, their relationship just has similarities to the dynamics of one.

And yeah, it doesn't sound like much happens around it either.

edited 9th Jun '18 8:32:17 PM by VutherA

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#153: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:31:40 PM

Paiderestia has a lot more to it than just 'older man fucks/in a relationship with younger man'.

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#154: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:39:16 PM

[up][up][up]To be fair including it is better than not bothering to include it at all or using the dumb excuse that Oh gamers are not comfortable with that so don't bother.

I mean the companies aren't exactly wrong for saying that part of the reason why some idiotic gamers get so uncomfortable about seeing gay men in there games is because not too long ago it was pretty much never seen at all in a positive way or at the very least was hidden.

Also, a bit off topic but lesbian fetishism (not lesbians themselves, just the obsession guys have with lesbians having sex) disgusts me. Never understood why men liked that or the other way around with straight women liking gay men.

edited 9th Jun '18 8:57:47 PM by Wispy

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#155: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:43:36 PM

[up][up]It still has a resemblance to the dynamics of more structured pederasty romances to me since Leonardo's obviously the more accomplished one and a master to the apprentice Salai...but of course since Salai's lazy, apparently Leonardo isn't much of a mentor.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:50:49 PM

Welp...guess that is it for me. So long, Bioware.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#157: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:59:43 PM

This happened before to Visceral...sadly looks like EA is trying to kill Bioware.

I seriously hope that its not the case but it sure looks like EA is trying to screw over Bioware with moneygrubbing tactics like they did to Visceral in the past with Dead Space 3

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158: Jun 9th 2018 at 9:01:50 PM

[up]Like I said earlier, it was more or less a matter of time. EA is EA and odds are that's all they'll ever be.

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#159: Jun 9th 2018 at 9:25:12 PM

Saying that Bioware is dead is kind of a major overreaction here. Mass Effect 1 was also a huge departure from Bioware's previous works and that worked out pretty well. And DA4 is still coming.

Given that Anthem was the headline product of EA's E3 show, it seems like EA has confidence in it. And the impressions from convention-goers who played the demo seemed very positive.

edited 9th Jun '18 9:26:39 PM by lrrose

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#160: Jun 9th 2018 at 9:28:10 PM

Yeah...it does come across as general EA bullshittery. I mean the timing of when Anthem was announced was up for suspicion as it was near when Destiny and Destiny 2 were a thing and may also be influenced by Warframe as well.

But the fact it has no single player story, which Bioware is known for, is just hitting all the red flags.

I hope this is better than we expect or doesn't destroy them as a company but sadly like most things EA I won't get my hopes up that EA won't toss them under the buss for a quick buck. DICE hasn't been doing well under EA in recent years either.

[up]To be fair its EA.

edited 9th Jun '18 9:30:00 PM by Wispy

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
Laugh and grow dank!
#163: Jun 9th 2018 at 10:40:52 PM

Endless Avarice.

Seriously, EA having "confidence" in something, far from being a point in it's favor, is practically guaranteed to be a death knell. We all know what their management decisions have led to. I don't know how anyone aware of what the company has been like can honestly be excited for Anthem. All I'm holding out for personally is that it's not too terrible and that it can avoid the numerous repeated pitfalls Destiny has been subject to.

yey
JerekLaz Since: Jun, 2014
#164: Jun 10th 2018 at 12:00:59 AM

I genuinely don't understand how ea just doesn't understand their audience. Unless I don't understand their audience.

May be the reality is is that fifa sells and makes all the money so they assume that model works everywhere else.

The mercenaries devs had s cool sci do gsme in the works - shut down.

Bullfrog were creating some great titles. Shut down.

Westwood. Shut down.

And they resurrect their ips in weird ways and don't understand why people won't buy it.... then use that to justify never doing anything with it.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#165: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:00:07 AM

I agree that the way they go about acquiring studios (that have nothing in common with their corporate culture, leading to them eventually shutting down) makes no sense but for the most part the EA hate might as well be a Vocal Minority as far as their success goes. Their games sell millions of units and they are one of the if not the biggest western publisher. They're too big to fail. The Battlefront II controversy has been the first time in recent memory where they've been dealt a significant blow, because they had no self-restraint and pushed too much too soon.

edited 10th Jun '18 1:19:31 AM by Draghinazzo

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#166: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:18:35 AM

Sadly the general populace has no idea of EA's dealings.

They need actual legitimate bombs to strike truly heavy blows to them. Meaning something has to be done about their sports games as those games are pretty much a crutch for the suited bastards to do whatever they want.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#167: Jun 10th 2018 at 2:41:38 AM

Thats not anything new. Other gaming publishers have gotten away with far worse ratings on their games

JerekLaz Since: Jun, 2014
#168: Jun 10th 2018 at 5:27:29 AM

I think that (looking at the gameplay video) that this would've been warmly received if ME:A had been a bit less controversial. And I think they were assuming that.

Gameplay:

It doesn't LOOK terrible. I'm getting Destiny Horn from the music, but there's some fun Iron Man style gameplay there, satisfying looking synergy between weapon mixes (better than the Borderlands feedback as well) and some heft to the gameplay. But it's going to be far too reliant on "friend playing" - how easy is it to link up in groups? Will there be voice chat? not everyone does well off the bat.

I think it'll probably be closer to Warframe in some respects, hopefully with decent matchmaking. Buuuut the thing feels barebones. Will have to see a little more, but this has a vibe of surprise - they were definitely expecting Bioware's new IP to build upon the popular reception of ME, with the fans then getting excited by "something new". Instead Andromeda was received poorly and now they've got an uphill battle.

And you can clearly see Andromeda's DNA in here too.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#169: Jun 10th 2018 at 6:50:40 AM

The game itself looks fine, yeah.

It's just the most un-Bioware like Bioware game ever produced. If it was a side project or something from a studio known for branching out of their own volition and not due Big Brother forcing their hand I don't think people would be freaking out about it.

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#170: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:07:56 AM

Love the attacks on Bioware for trying something new.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#171: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:33:47 AM

If by trying something new you mean throwing their hat into the bog standard loot shooter genre, sure.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#172: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:44:23 AM

It looked like a rip off of HALO to begin with.

Now it's definitely one.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#173: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:45:02 AM

So, force them to make the same game...

Over.

And over.

And over.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#174: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:46:48 AM

Because Dragon Age, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights and Mass Effect are the same game.

edited 10th Jun '18 8:47:52 AM by Hashil

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#175: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:48:39 AM

When a company loses all of their unique style in favor of a Follow the Leader game then yes, they deserve some criticism.

This song needs more love.

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