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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#126: Jun 9th 2018 at 2:18:06 PM

[up]most of that we got last year anyway.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#127: Jun 9th 2018 at 2:52:33 PM

The clip on YouTube had this description:

On a world left unfinished by the gods, humanity struggles to survive in a savage environment. Equipped with incredible Javelin exosuits, a faction known as the Freelancers seeks to tip the balance in mankind’s favor.

It could be interesting, but the complete lack of any detail is weird. As far as I can tell, that description is basically all we've got. And I'm leery of multiplayer games at the best of times, especially with the whole lootbox crap going on.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129: Jun 9th 2018 at 3:10:31 PM

It's funny cause they just showed one random mission out of context when they could have shown us or offered an explanation on how the mechanics work. We don't really know the gun types or how skills function, or what's really different between the javelins aside from the easy to see one's heavy & one's faster.

Plus the gunplay from that video looks kinda slow & clunky especially when you fire while hovering. Like there in a suit of advanced armor that offers flight yet they lack the mobility that a game like Vanguish for example provided.

It's why the comparison to Borderlands falls flat cause Borderlands has really fast-paced gunplay plus an ensemble of quirky & funny cast, powers, & guns which Anthem seems to all lack.

edited 9th Jun '18 3:43:16 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JerekLaz Since: Jun, 2014
#130: Jun 9th 2018 at 3:39:10 PM

And a hub where the majority the story takes place... you can play solo but there are no ai companions...

If this was single player but with drop in coop is be much more interested. Throw some quality need characters in there and a romance and boom. Who knows maybe you can do that back at base..

But we need to see more. This was flashy Destiny stuff.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#131: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:37:14 PM

I'm just really worried that this WILL NOT have any of the RPG staples we're used to in Bioware games and might actually be Bioware's first linear plot (probably with 'Its linear so no romances and no LGBT' in there somewhere) and they're not showing anything other than gameplay because they either realize people will be upset or they just honestly don't have much of anything TO show if its a certain level of linear.

That's the only logical explanation I can think of by now as to why they'd go an E3 without showing anything else.

And, it probably would have been better to announce that earlier than than now. Because I can be sure people will be mad about that if its true. Bioware has a big RPG and LGBT fanbase for a reason. But it would have been better to get that out of the way early on so you aren't stringing the fanbase along at all and so that there just isn't this sudden shocking reveal 2 months or on the day of launch that, 'oh wait, this isn't the game I thought it was'.

edited 9th Jun '18 4:37:51 PM by InkDagger

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#132: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:42:11 PM
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:44:21 PM

[up] And they fucking killed it. Literally just straight up murdered their own game dead 8 months before launch.

Lets pack up folks, it really is just another Destiny clone.

edited 9th Jun '18 4:48:19 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Emperordaein Grant us eyes from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#135: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:57:54 PM

Personally, I'm fairly optimisitc that this will do well enough not to kill Bioware before DA4 comes out, which is my greatest fear with this game.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#136: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:03:44 PM

That's my fear too.

Bioware is the only place I can consistently get LGBT characters in video games. I get shouted out of places like AC Fandom if I go around asking if Odyssey could engage with even historically accurate homosexuality. Gay characters just don't exist unless they're women (Last of Us, Life is Strange, etc).

If they go under and disappear, I don't know where that shunts me to in gaming. Where else would I go? The Indie scene where you tend to scrape the bottom of the barrel with godawful games, but hey, gay people exist?

I want Bioware to survive to do DA 4. I loved the Dragon Age series and I want to see the next game. But I'm worried Bioware will either crumble under Anthem or do ok but EA will step in further.

Do we even know if its an RPG at this point???

edited 9th Jun '18 5:04:38 PM by InkDagger

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#137: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:12:48 PM

There's dialog options and supposdly Fort Tarsus, the hub area, is a single player area that changes drastically depending on your choices in the story missions.

Tarlonniel Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Tweaking my holographic boyfriend
#138: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:13:32 PM

I'm checking out here too. Bye, Bioware. It was a nice run.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#139: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:16:49 PM

[up][up][up]I think I can definitely say there's not going to be historically accurate male homosexuality in Odyssey while historians are under the belief pederasty was pervasive in ancient Greece. I doubt there's an AAA studio that exists which is willing to portray that.

Addendum: Apparently, I'm quite wrong as Brotherhood actually portrayed one already.

edited 9th Jun '18 5:25:52 PM by VutherA

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#140: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:33:54 PM

WHEN was that ever in Brotherhood??? Then again, I guess its the one game I haven't played yet.

And, yeah, while Paiedertia was a thing and pervasive in Greek culture (And can be a bit squicky to our modern sensibilities), there was also encouraged homosexuality between soldiers and that was INCREDIBLY everywhere. Warrior-Lovers were sometimes treated the same was wives would be and there are a couple of greek myths including them, such as Achilles in the Illiad. It was encouraged because they believed such strong bonds would result in an insatiable desire to protect their lovers in battle but also to impress them with their carnage and battle prowess.

Some things I've found lurking around the reddit:

  • No PVP! (On launch at least)
  • Loot is not shared.
  • There will be dialogue trees and paths in the game similar to a traditional Bioware game but options would be simplified.
  • You can change javelins suits before missions. There's no reason to create a new character, as said by Mark in the video.
  • There's an ending to the game, an ending to the path you chose.
  • After the tutorial, you are allowed to freely explore every part of the world but there will be dangerous places to avoid right off the start. Nothing will stop you other than yourself.
  • You can play coop right away as soon as you finish the tutorial.
  • The enemies/aliens are all hostile.
  • You can only play as a human in this game.
  • The player is also fully voiced.

The 'options will be simplified' screams of red flag to me. Bethesda tried to do that in Fallout and that DID NOT work out.

edited 9th Jun '18 6:48:10 PM by InkDagger

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:04:19 PM

Okay fuck that "Can only play as humans" bullshit. [tdown]

God I don't what to play as a boring ass human, I want to play as a kickass alien.

[up] Yeah simplified anything is a major red-flag that whatever's being simplified is gonna suck balls.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#142: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:06:26 PM

"No reason to make a new character":

read: "we dont intend on the levelling content or character customization to be emphasized enough to make it worth your while to have alts, and may not even give you the capability to have alts"

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#143: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:19:31 PM

Jesus...this is hitting every red flag in the book and I am usually pretty in favor of Bioware and just chimed down their bad games as duds that everyone has.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#144: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:39:59 PM

Its the inevitable cycle of companies owned by EA, as Jim Sterling, TB, and a few others have noted before

Buy stduio. Give them autonomy,

assure fans nothing will change

slowly take over control of creative direction of company until their games resemble every other EA owned franchise

Games inevitably get less and less sale and enthusiasm

studio is closed for underperforming while EA shrugs, claims there was nothing they can do

Buy new company,. repeat

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#145: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:50:10 PM

And fuck you to the fans that get something specific out of Bioware.

I honestly don't know where I'll go if Bioware closes. I'll probably cry a lot. I desperately want Anthem to be good even if I hate the finished product if it means it'll save Bioware. Bioware is legit one of the only game studios that goes 'Yeah, gay people exist'.

I don't know where I end up if they are gone.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#146: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:52:23 PM

To be honest I'm surprised Bioware lasted as long as it did without EA forcing their scummy practices on them. But I guess it was only a matter of time.

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#147: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:53:11 PM

I never understood the pushback against LGBT characters in games.

But then again gamers are toxic as shit and thats why I don't identify as a gamer despite enjoying games.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#148: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:04:31 PM

The big companies feel they need to appeal to as many people as possible, and they also feel that straight people (the majority) won't want to play as gay people. Lesbians sometimes get a pass because men have a well-documented fondness for lesbians, but not always. Bioware was usually considered the exception (whether rightly or wrongly) because their PC is always fully customizable. You don't want to play a gay person, you don't have to.

I haven't seen much pushback from the fans, but then I don't hang out in the EA dudebro sports/shooter fandom that everyone is always trying to appeal to (because they have seemingly unlimited time and money).

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#149: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:08:09 PM

[up][up]Tell me about it.

I remember when Remember Me was in development and the character had a boyfriend/husband and there was push back against not just having a black female lead, but that she had PDA moments with her husband. "Gamers will feel uncomfortable with their character kissing a man. They're not gay".

Nevermind that the interaction on screen is heterosexual anyway...

Gamers can be stupid. And its sad because I fundementally feel that you cannot empathize and or feel something for people you do not interact with on a regular basis. Video Games are a great medium to really challenge people and force audiences to not just watch a character but walk in their shoes for several hours. You could do some really interesting things with gameplay and settings in video games that no other medium will allow.

In AC: Liberation, you place as a mixed woman of color. She puts on a big fancy dress and no one really pays attention to her, but she can't run or fight in that outfit. Everyone assumes she's just a very tan white woman. But, when she puts on her slave disguise, she can fight and get places without people paying attention to her (they assume she's a slave and doing her work), but men on the street with jeer, yell, and throw rocks. Compared to the rest of the series where you mostly play as higher class white men, there's a very interesting and fundementally different experience here.

But challenging is hard to do when easy comfort is a easier and more profitable sell. I kind of think the only way we'll probably see more challenging experiences is if Video Game award start to have more pretiege like the Oscars do where a game might do ok, but its fine if they clean house at award season.

edited 9th Jun '18 8:08:16 PM by InkDagger

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#150: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:15:48 PM

InkDagger, I'm reading that Leonardo has a pupil 28-years younger than him who are very heavily implied to be in a romantic relationship.

edited 9th Jun '18 8:15:58 PM by VutherA


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