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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#8126: Jan 21st 2023 at 12:53:36 PM

I don't know if we know enough to say we won't get manga arc exclusive characters at some point.

While previous games haven't touched manga stuff, that was back when there was a manga and an anime version of the characters, with the games preferring to adapt the anime versions. If, theoretically, Moro, Granolah or the Goten & Trunks arc never get adapted to anime, I don't know if we can say that games wouldn't adapt them if they never get an anime equivalent to pull from.

Xenoverse doesn't, but frankly Xenoverse is pretty far into the end of its development cycle. It's basically just adapting fan favorites at this point.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2023 at 12:55:18 PM

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#8127: Jan 21st 2023 at 12:57:03 PM

Xenoverse 2 is adding the Gammas and Orange Piccolo. But not Moro or Merus. Who've been around for over 3 years now.

dhochoy Since: Oct, 2016
#8128: Jan 21st 2023 at 1:00:38 PM

~Known Unknown Fighter Z is a special case tho. It's by far Arc System's most successful game and helped put Arc System's name on the mop.

Guilty Gear -Strive- wouldn't have sold 1 million copies if it wasn't for Fighter Z.

Knowing Bandai Namco, they would definitely contract Arc System for a sequel and they would be stupid to turn it down.

The upcoming next-gen upgrade is obviously testing the waters for it.

Edited by dhochoy on Jan 21st 2023 at 1:01:38 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#8129: Jan 21st 2023 at 1:08:15 PM

[up][up] Again, it's at the end of its' development cycle and is only really adding fan favorites at this point as small scale DLC packages.

If a game like Xenoverse was being made right now with the same selling point being as many characters from the series as possible? The entire development model would look very different, same as it did when the game first came out.

I'm just saying we don't know enough to make the conclusion jump that the manga characters are being outright snubbed. There are other legitimate reasons to draw from for why the current games might not have yet used those characters.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2023 at 1:08:25 AM

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#8130: Jan 21st 2023 at 1:43:35 PM

only really adding fan favorites at this point as small scale DLC packages.

I just disproved that. The Gammas and Orange Piccolo are new characters, there's no reason for them to be fan-favorites any more or less than the characters in the Moro and Granolah arcs.

Personally, I think it's more of a rights issue than anything else, that's my guess. These existing games have the rights to add characters from the anime of Dragon Ball Super and the movies, but they don't have the rights to add characters from the manga (since it's technically a different property, legally speaking). That was an oversight that happened because they were created at a time when the manga hadn't introduced any characters that the anime hadn't.

Future games might be made with that rights oversight negotiated and fixed, giving them the rights to add characters exclusive to the manga. Hell, they might even make that a big selling point. Imagine a FighterZ 2 trailer that hypes up the beginning and the end, showing Dragon Ball characters and then manga Super characters, that would be sick! Seeing Taopaipai and King Piccolo followed by Moro and Granolah.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 21st 2023 at 2:45:25 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#8131: Jan 21st 2023 at 1:52:58 PM

I just disproved that. The Gammas and Orange Piccolo are new characters, there's no reason for them to be fan-favorites any more or less than the characters in the Moro and Granolah arcs.

... what do you mean? Dragon Ball Super Hero was extremely popular, and basically everyone in it was a hit with the fans. They're what's hot on the streets for the Dragonball franchise right now.

I definitely wouldn't make the cake that the Moro and Granolah characters were anywhere near as popular as the Gammas and Orange Piccolo, but where snubbed for some other reason.

Personally, I think it's more of a rights issue than anything else, that's my guess.

Namco's deal, as far as I understand it, is with Shueisha first and foremost, not Toei specifically, so that shouldn't be it either. They've always had free reign to adapt both the manga and the anime however they wish - hence stuff like the manga coloring DLC in FighterZ

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2023 at 1:57:41 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#8132: Jan 21st 2023 at 2:40:13 PM

Personally, I think it's more of a rights issue than anything else, that's my guess. These existing games have the rights to add characters from the anime of Dragon Ball Super and the movies, but they don't have the rights to add characters from the manga (since it's technically a different property, legally speaking). That was an oversight that happened because they were created at a time when the manga hadn't introduced any characters that the anime hadn't.

I definitely think it's a rights thing, since I've seen similar things with Naruto and Demon Slayer games where they only feature characters/events that have been animated.

dhochoy Since: Oct, 2016
#8133: Jan 21st 2023 at 3:07:37 PM

~Moth 13 The manga industry never took off in the west like anime did in the late 90s / early 2000s.

It's a simple fact the average joe doesn't read manga at all.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#8134: Jan 21st 2023 at 3:31:40 PM

I don't think it's just a "they don't want to lock down the voice actors before the anime airs" thing, or a "manga stuff isn't as popular" thing, because they also haven't done anything with Ultra Ego Vegeta or Goku's Pseudo Ultra Instinct. We know any alternate Goku or Vegeta form would sell like hotcakes.

Edited by Moth13 on Jan 21st 2023 at 6:31:55 AM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#8135: Jan 21st 2023 at 3:57:09 PM

Aren't games as a rule linked to Toei? I'd expect content that Toei hasn't really touched to not be prone to being referenced.

dhochoy Since: Oct, 2016
#8136: Jan 22nd 2023 at 5:46:59 AM

Who can they possibly add as DLC for Fighter Z 2?

Here my idea for the first pass:

    Fighter Z Pass 
  • Vegeta (Ultra Ego)
  • Orange Piccolo
  • Chi-Chi
  • Pikkon
  • Cell Max
  • Moro
  • King Piccolo
  • Omega Shenron

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#8137: Jan 22nd 2023 at 7:49:09 AM

You can bet that if they make a new full game, a bunch of the first game’s roster will not be in the main game, and instead be saved for DLC they know the fans will buy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 22nd 2023 at 7:49:38 AM

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#8138: Jan 22nd 2023 at 7:52:08 AM

I feel like the people who would be relegated to DLC will be the movie villains, Goku Black or Zamasu, Jiren, and one of the Gohans.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#8139: Jan 22nd 2023 at 8:32:31 PM

I could see them saving a 21 for DLC. Possibly even both. One or two of the Gamma, Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan trio. If the anime has started again by this point, any post-TOP character is fair game for DLC. Towa, Mira and Fu are probably free game.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jan 22nd 2023 at 11:37:44 AM

dhochoy Since: Oct, 2016
#8140: Jan 23rd 2023 at 3:35:21 AM

Nah, they'll definitely add some Super Hero content as a selling point for the base game.

It's long overdue especially since XV 2 already added Beast Gohan and the Gammas.

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#8141: Jan 23rd 2023 at 5:33:05 AM

Super Hero introduced enough new content that it could fill out a season of DBFZ 1 by itself. Although splitting Gamma 1 and 2 into two separte DL Cs would be kind of a bad idea.

And then again they blindsided us with playable Videl and three bits of GT content that wasn't Omega Shenron (Rat Goku, Furry Gogeta and Baby) so you never really know.

Also modders already started modding in Beast Gohan as it happens. I tried him and he's pretty cool but his level 3 just being Blue Goku's Kaioken Rush is kinda lame.

Edited by MightyKombat on Jan 23rd 2023 at 1:34:50 PM

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#8142: Jan 23rd 2023 at 5:35:28 AM

I’m starting to get flashbacks to when people thought that any post Z content for the first game would be relegated to DLC.

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#8143: Jan 23rd 2023 at 5:37:16 AM

Which is still kinda bupkiss when, you know, Hit. And Goku Black.

(I'm not considering Beerus a post-Z character since he debuted in a DBZ branded movie and is technically a Z character. Same with the blue Super Saiyans and Golden Freeza)

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#8144: Jan 23rd 2023 at 6:31:22 AM

I really don't think Gohan Beast should be a transformation or a standalone character. He does literally two moves, that form makes a lot more sense as a cinematic OHKO Super that Gohan unlocks at Level 7 Potential Unleashed.

[up]Disagree, Beerus started Super.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:32:00 AM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#8145: Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:12:01 AM

Super started 2 years after Battle of Gods. Both Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are labeled as Z, and superior to the Super retelling of those events.

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#8146: Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:13:16 AM

Exactly. Its why DBZ Kakarot had no problem with Battle of Gods and Resurrection F-themed content.

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#8147: Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:13:37 AM

Cool story. Still Super arcs.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#8148: Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:16:12 AM

They are clearly part of the "Super era" part of the franchise. Being labeled Z doesn't change that. Anyone can see by looking that they have more in common with Super than the Z anime from 20 years prior.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#8149: Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:38:26 AM

Yeah, because Super was derivated from them. They were Z movies, just like Son Goku and his friends return was a Z special that was far closer in time to Super than to the end of the Z anime.

Super wasn't even an idea when Battle of Gods came out. It became a thing down Resurrection F's production, but, those 2 movies are part of the Z brand.

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#8150: Jan 23rd 2023 at 7:49:03 AM

Yeah, I mean by that logic even though Yo Son Goku didn't even have Z branding let alone Super, its a super thing then.

Edited by MightyKombat on Jan 23rd 2023 at 3:49:17 PM

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