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Kilyle Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Jun 7th 2017 at 6:20:42 AM

I'm wondering because it doesn't appear to be on the wiki (when I search to get more info on it), even though it's a well-defined fan trope that shows up in a ton of fics... so maybe it's something the wiki won't have a page for because its most common form is too sexual for the topics TV Tropes covers? Other than that, I don't know why it wouldn't have a page, because it's pretty old and well established (as internet fan tropes go).

I've been fascinated by it lately because it seems to have grown whole-cloth out of the fandom, without having an initial work to pull from (though it sprung up within specific works, it's not based on elements from within those works). I don't know many other world-building tropes that have happened like that. (I've been seeing a few that might qualify, but then maybe I just haven't yet experienced the right fandoms. Stuff like soul bond marks, or Sub/dom (which overlaps the Omegaverse a fair amount).)

My first encounters with the Omegaverse were something like Head-Tiltingly Kinky "What the hell is going on here?" and "If you're just gonna turn that guy into a female body capable of bearing kids, why not just genderswap? Why this weirdness where you still pretend he's a guy?"

However, after a bit more exposure, I came to understand that it was a handy way to pull apart the gender biases of the real world and examine them in various configurations, inserting social commentary by the things the characters take for granted or fight against. (The Omegaverse turns out to be quite fluid that way, so the lack of a specific "canon" version to fall back on turns out to be an asset: Authors can turn the trope to their liking, exploring different social setups and interactions between characters by altering the variables.) It's like Star Trek's Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, where the concept of racism was made clear and obviously ridiculous, but explored in such a way as to disarm those who already had racist mindsets (whether they meant to or not), by not making it a fight between existing races. (So I understand it... it's been ages since I've seen that episode.)

Omegaverse offers a means of exploring sexism, the patriarchy, patronizing mindsets, gender dysphoria, alternative sexualities and social taboos about them, trying to "pass" as a different gender or orientation, and many other topics that are sometimes difficult to divorce from their real-world context. I don't think the use of Omegaverse world-building as a basis for tons of sex should disqualify it from being given a page here so we can categorize the associated tropes.

(If a page does exist here and just isn't showing up in the early search results, please point me at it. Thanks!)

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#2: Jun 7th 2017 at 6:41:21 AM

Question: What are you talking about?

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#3: Jun 7th 2017 at 7:43:30 AM

The answer to, "Why is something not on the wiki?" is always one of the following:

Now, since I didn't want to deal with your Wall of Text, I looked up the term on Google and came up with this definition: "Omegaverse is a AU(alternate universe) in which males can get pregnant." We do have a trope that covers this concept: Mister Seahorse, which notes in its description that "MPreg" fic is a popular manifestation of the idea.

Since any fic (that doesn't violate our Content Policy) featuring this trope should be listed there already, there seems to be no particular value in having a distinct article to explain the fanspeak term, although I suppose we could make it into a redirect if it's likely to attract a lot of search traffic.

Speaking personally, I always look askance at people who want to use this wiki to document fetishes. We had our fill of that when the Fetish Fuel namespace was cut. We can note that a fetish exists without getting masturbatory about it.

edited 7th Jun '17 7:47:19 AM by Fighteer

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Kilyle Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Apr 25th 2018 at 1:13:04 AM

I'm sorry, I completely forgot to check back on this one.

Thought my paragraph breaks would be enough to counter "Wall of Text," but I guess not. Sorry 'bout that.

Omegaverse is far more than simply MPreg, and, in fact, doesn't actually have to include that trope at all. It's less a checklist and more a "do we have like 60% of this? okay then, that counts" kinda trope set. At least, from what I've seen so far — the variety intrigues me, and seems to stem from not having an original non-fanwork foundation to draw from.

Here is a link discussing it: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Alpha/Beta/Omega

I have reviewed the Content Policy and the No Lewdness No Prudishness policy, and, while I am not convinced that I fully understand the boundaries, I see two reasons to conclude that Omega Verse should not be excluded:

  1. There exist G-rated, nonsexual Omega Verse fics drawing from that set of tropes without using it in a sexual or titillating manner.
  2. Omega Verse is frequently used to explore the cultural aspects of gender, especially societal expectations/bias ("omegas should have babies rather than careers"), internalized misogyny ("I'm an omega, I'm not as capable as an alpha"), and non-free cultures ("an omega is not allowed to attend college").

I am hesitant to just jump in and create it myself, on three points:

  1. I'm not active on this wiki these days (not at all like I used to be), and have lost touch with the culture here, especially many of the recent changes.
  2. I'm not convinced that I understand the material well enough to do it justice as the original poster (as opposed to correcting a few details, or adding examples, etc.).
  3. I'm specifically trying to find out, via this post, if Omega Verse was part of the purge of sex-related tropes. Because I don't want to end up recreating something that was already cut.

Or, I suppose, more specifically: Because I have lost track of TV Tropes' cultural changes within the past couple of years, I do not know whether I ought to be pursuing the Omega Verse page here, or whether it falls outside the purview of this wiki now and I should be pursuing it on the nonprofit fork that doesn't have these restrictions. I prefer to stick with the original wiki if I can.

I understand the need to keep the advertisers happy, which may leave some legitimate tropes out in the cold (even ones that aren't specifically lewd); I just don't know where this particular trope-set lies.

edited 25th Apr '18 1:15:03 AM by Kilyle

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#5: Apr 25th 2018 at 8:55:04 AM

There's very rarely reasons why you can't add works/tropes to the wiki. The basis behind community-driven wikis are basically, "you want it, then you need to put forth the effort".

Many of our pages and sections of the forums are based around that philosophy. So if you want us to host explainations of whatever this Omegaverse thing is, then it is up to you to do the legwork of creating pages related to it.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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#6: Apr 25th 2018 at 12:03:55 PM

I'm not entirely sure that this is an good idea, OP. Because this site had went from "anything that you can find" to "no porn, sexualized stuff, and rape allowed" from at least two issues with the ad providers. And the Omegaverse setting sounds like an yiffer's fantasy, but that's from me reading an Tumblr blog on how their mating seasons work. While I admit that the Omegaverse does have an point about how modern society runs, but you should omit the furry sexfiction if you want to keep your privileges.

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#7: Apr 25th 2018 at 12:39:27 PM

Yeah, the yiffing and other fetish material needs to be left at the door. If the mere presence of articles specifically related to Omegaverse fics opens the door to pervy editing, we'll exercise caution and ban the whole thing.

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#8: Apr 25th 2018 at 3:27:26 PM

I think this is more of an fetish genre, than anything. Since the guidelines are: There's one group who are basically humanized, well-endowed male animals, another are the female animals who makes matters worse on monthly basis, and the third group is the sane humans. Plus mating season comes around once every month and the alphas can't control themselves, so...yeah...Is fair to say that the internet wasn't meant for children or would like an more graphic description?

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#9: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:51:51 PM

From what little I know about the Omegaverse, I'd say a page about the 'verse in general would not fit on the wiki since it's so sexual in nature, but individual stories that weren't written for masturbatory purposes should be allowed.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#10: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:03:02 PM

Would Omegaverse even count as a trope? I know Coffee Shop AU Fic, Soulmate AU Fic, Zombie Fic, etc are not tropey enough so it's been suggested that they be combined.

Omegaverse seems more like a cross-franchise Fandom-Specific Plot honestly.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#11: May 1st 2018 at 9:42:00 AM

Yeah, they're in a kind of weird place. Fan fiction isn't technically a genre or a medium; it's a broad category of derivative works that we isolate because it's not "official" or licensed.

Within the broad category of fan fiction, there are lots of subgenres based on shared universes, themes, characters, fetishes, etc. Documenting and cataloging every one of them seems like a recipe for insanity, at least for us. If FF.net wants to put subgenre tags on every fic, fine — that's their bag. Ours is tropes, and those tags aren't helpful or relevant.

edited 1st May '18 9:42:10 AM by Fighteer

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