Cowboy Bebop

@unknowing, I recommend wathing this, even if it's a bit verbose:

Edited by ZheToralf on Oct 9th 2019 at 9:18:55 PM

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You kinda sort of misunderstand me, im not saying the meaning and point of the ending is bad but there some element that bother me and kinda sort of detract of the whole deal, specially since the ending is two episode.

The first one us julia being alive, something I didnt expect by genre conventions....and them he die very pointlessly a episode after, you can said that is realistic but her being alive all this long isnt, I didnt get time to know her before she is wasted and the show feel bad for it but for me it dosent work.

the second one was rin replacement that look exact like him with other hair and die half way of Spiker storming red dragon quarters, i laugh of how forced that shit was.

take does stuff and compress something and that it, is all my complaing overall.

They are brothers and it is anime, why shouldn't they look practically identical? Little melodramatic, sure, but they're going for some heavy Heroic Bloodshed with Spike's past. Gritty realism went out the window as soon as the second episode was a comedy about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar trying to catch a dog.

Spike ran away from his whole life, Julia included. The two-parter is about realizing what he should have realized a long time ago— that it's too late to go back and he's wasted a long time wishing he could reclaim the past. What it's not too late for is to do what he should have done in the first place, and end this, one way or another, before anyone else gets killed because of it. That's the standard poetic beat Shin fits, the Faramir to Lin's Boromir, able to show Spike that it's not all pointless, that even if you die you actually can die for something worth believing in, not just pointlessly clinging to tradition.

It's operatic, kind of funny-kind of sad, both tragic and absurd. It's not meant to be taken deadly seriously, but it's not a complete joke, either. And it's in that sense that the whole show show is very human.

Edited by Unsung on Oct 11th 2019 at 11:52:33 AM

Shin is so overall inconsequential I'm genuinely surprised there's this much discourse about him.

Pleased, mind you. I liked him and was disappointed he went bye-bye.

My issue is that introduce Shin in the same episode he die and he look like Rin to the point is like "Why?" the reason of dying feel pointless in a narrative sense because Rin already did that.

Oh, narratively it makes a ton of sense. Give Spike someone to bounce off of for the raid. Then ice him as necessary. As for making him Lin's brother, it's an attempt to curtail the more egregious Remember the New Guy? by using an existing known Red Dragon member that Spike knew well as a connection. Literally everyone we already know with any connection to the Red Dragon is dead other than Vicious and Spike. It's basically either a new guy with a connection to RD or maybe an overzealous cop joining Spike and they went with the former.

I also feel like you're weirdly overly distracted with their similar looks. Their differing haircuts, expressions, and attitude actually differentiate them a lot (I remember when I first saw the series I didn't think they looked enough alike, honestly).

^^ It is pointless, but the fact that all these deaths were pointless and avoidable and happened because of Spike pretty much is the point. Life isn't fair. The only fairness left is what Spike can make for himself. It's a pyrrhic victory, but that's pretty typical for any kind of crime series.

Production has shut down for 7-9 months due to John Cho getting injured on set[1]

Oof. May not want to take this out of the Development Hell trope just yet.

Hopefully Cho recovers.

Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 18th 2019 at 7:22:36 AM

Brutal. May he get well soon.

That's some sad news.

EP Jeff Pinkner says they already started planning out season 2[1]

Went from "oh hey Season 2 this could not suck" to "oh my god they're going to screw this up, aren't they?"

Edited by Soble on Apr 19th 2020 at 5:00:40 AM

Season two will have Carole & Tuesday as guest stars

Edited by Akirakan on Apr 19th 2020 at 10:44:13 AM

I could see them having some of their music in the background just as a Mythology Gag. Though I guess C&T takes place after this show, right?

With production resuming, the producers of Bebop have spoken a bit about the series. Two things that are being toned down (to the dismay of fans) are the use of smoking and Faye’s outfit.

Those two were going to be obvious.

Though I would find it funny if the future still had e-cigarettes.

I still wonder if they’re cutting Ed out or if they gotten a child actor.

Edd is a main character,there is no way they're be cut

My interpretation of the ending has always been a straight up Downer Ending. Spike dismantles his Found Family and proceeds to abandon them to commit suicide by Triad. He succeeds and is happier dying in a blood bath than he is trying to build a new life. I kind of think of it as the anti-Firefly despite their many similarities.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 6th 2020 at 7:34:29 AM

The smoking thing doesn't surprise me. It can still look cool, but at the same time not *as* cool as it was even twenty years ago. Vaping has done more to make smoking look lame than all the warning labels could ever do.

Not that surprised about Faye's outfit, either. Hopefully they give it a nod, but at the same time it's kind of like a superhero costume in that what works on paper or cel probably benefits from some toning down in live-action, and I was pretty much expecting the characters to change clothes at least occasionally rather than wearing the same thing all the time.

I tend to think that surviving despite wanting to die is more in line with the show's themes, but even if Spike does die at the end, I feel like it's less about him being happier in his old life than it is finally facing the consequences of his own actions. He was a hitman once, and running from what he'd done all those years ultimately allowed Vicious to get a lot worse, which in turn led to even more blood on Spike's hands, including the very people he'd supposedly abandoned in order to save them. Like Spike says, he's not going there to die, but to see if he's really alive — if he really deserves to live, if he can actually do this one thing that would actually be worth a damn. So he's kind of leaving it in fate's hands, and not showing us whether or not he's alive or dead at the end leaves that decision up to the audience. This is Spike's trial. We're his jury. We're fate, for the purpose of this exercise.

Edited by Unsung on Jun 6th 2020 at 10:23:51 AM

From what I understand, the smoking thing is a general Netflix policy now where they don’t want to see it glamorized. After Stranger Things showed a lot of smoking, the anti-tobacco lobby took them to task and they revised their guidelines.

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/stranger-things-netflix-smoking-reduce-depictions-1203258913/

I sort of assumed Adaptational Modesty for Faye was almost guaranteed going in anyway, it's hard to imagine any actress being able to pull off that outfit without constant Wardrobe Malfunctions. Still, she's a classic Femme Fatale and so that kind of sexuality still needs to be conveyed.

As for the smoking, I don't recall a whole lot of it outside of the specific Film Noir toned episodes, but I guess Spike exhaling smoke is right there in the opening sequence.

Faye was sexiest in her blackjack dealer's outfit.

:)

Eh, animation often puts people in the same outfit far more than any live action show not involving people in uniforms ever would. Because it makes them more recognizable in busy scenes, and distinguishes characters of otherwise similar build, so of course, the live action show would ditch that.

I didn't expect them to put Faye in her anime costume, but given that it's part of her iconography I hope whatever they do put her in evokes it.

I wouldn't worry too much about not hearing about an actor for Ed yet. She didn't show up until the 9th episode (of a 27 episode series, a full 1/3 of the way into the series), so they've got time to work her in.