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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#251: Sep 3rd 2021 at 12:28:04 PM

still waiting on Radical Edward news

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#252: Sep 3rd 2021 at 1:11:28 PM

Thinking Ed might be a Toph Beifong situation or a first season finale character everyone on social media will spoil as soon as it drops.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#253: Sep 3rd 2021 at 1:49:10 PM

I had this weird idea radical Edward would be a literal toon acting alongside live action characters but the idea is completely unfeasible

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#254: Sep 3rd 2021 at 3:01:23 PM

Says you, now that you've planted that idea in my head, if they don't pull a Who Framed Roger Rabbit-style Edward I'm going to be disappointed.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#255: Sep 3rd 2021 at 4:32:59 PM

I always imagined Spike was somewhere around 35. He can't really be too young, given everything he's already done before the show starts. And as someone else said, it's not like John Cho looks like an old man.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#256: Sep 3rd 2021 at 11:57:15 PM

Honestly, Spike being older makes his backstory make more sense. Plus, Cho looks nowhere near his actual age.

I always felt like Spike was older than 27. He went through s lot in his back story.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#257: Sep 4th 2021 at 3:46:31 AM

He's a war hero and war ages people,Spike is in his 20s but acts like he's 30s-40s

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#258: Sep 4th 2021 at 10:10:18 AM

There's also just the thing where anime characters tend to skew young. Jet looking and acting older than he is is almost a metacommentary on that.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#259: Sep 4th 2021 at 10:21:21 AM

[up][up]Spike wasnt in the war, that was Vicious.

But yeah, Spike being 27 isnt that odd all things considered.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#260: Sep 4th 2021 at 11:49:27 AM

Spike was supposed to have had a long career in the mob before retiring five years ago. It seems odd to have a 22 year old mob enforcer who is tired of the lifestyle. Unless they are expressly a child, anime ages are very arbitrary.

John Cho's comments on all the changes was impressively diplomatic. It's difficult to have these kind of conversations because so many people take it personally and ride on a default of "criticizing X change is racist/sexist" and often the quality of the work is not that good in the end. Sometimes the casting change works and sometimes it doesn't, simply because everyone has a different perspective on what the perfect casting would be. So Cho basically summed it up as they had to make a decision and hope fans are on board with it.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#261: Sep 4th 2021 at 12:18:19 PM

> Spike wasnt in the war, that was Vicious.

I could have sworn they fought together or something

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#262: Sep 4th 2021 at 12:20:26 PM

They definitely fought together in their time in the Red Dragons, yeah.

But Vicious' war buddy was Gren.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#263: Sep 4th 2021 at 12:31:56 PM

Given how young some crime syndicates recruit some people, it doesn't seem odd to me that Spike would be an "old soldier" at the age of 22. Although that doesn't necessarily reflect well on his mentor Mao Yenrai...

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#264: Sep 4th 2021 at 12:35:02 PM

It sounds like normal anime age compression. A lot of anime have really improbable ages for characters and I think a big chunk of it comes from someone just pulling a random number out of their ass since ages are very, very rarely actually stated within a series.

Pushing his age up (especially if they're vague about it) is fine, it makes more sense with the timeline.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#265: Sep 5th 2021 at 10:30:07 AM

I've come to the conclusion that in Anime, characters are the ages the work says they are, because usually no one's age looks quite right. I mean, Yoko in Gurren Lagann is supposed to be 14 when we first meet her and she looks...um...considerably older.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#266: Sep 6th 2021 at 4:05:34 AM

A couple of my fan castings:

  • Edward could be Millie Bobby Brown or Mckenna Grace
  • If Tongpu appears The Mad Pierrot could be Frank Grillo - he's a stunt performer and that part would call for wirework if the showrunners want to hem closer to the anime.

Edited by TairaMai on Sep 6th 2021 at 5:29:14 AM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#267: Sep 7th 2021 at 12:24:36 PM

Wait, was the complaint on the last page about how Spike wasn't using the same gun as he did in the anime genuine or a parody of whiny fans who bitch about literally every change?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#268: Sep 8th 2021 at 12:56:09 AM

I'd say it was genuine given how there was no potholing to sarcasm mode

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#269: Sep 8th 2021 at 7:36:47 AM

[up][up]Yeah and asking someone if they're being a parody of "bitchy" fans is fairly rude, actually.

Edited by ArthurEld on Sep 8th 2021 at 7:36:55 AM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#270: Sep 10th 2021 at 8:01:03 AM

Andre Nemec addressed the lack of Ed[1] although he doesn't give a direct answer, he basically confirms that Ed will be in the show.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271: Sep 10th 2021 at 8:17:46 AM

So Nemec and his writing staff looked beyond the source material to the movies that influenced Watanabe when he began developing the anime with studio Sunrise back in the 1990s. The Netflix Bebop team looked at Howard Hawks’ Raymond Chandler adaptation The Big Sleep (1946), the classic Sergio Leone spaghetti Western The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, the New Hollywood classic Bonnie & Clyde, Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey, the cop-with-a-gun thriller Dirty Harry, Richard Donner’s defining buddy comedy Lethal Weapon, and even the macabre action drama The Crow to divine the soul of Bebop through the reality of cinema. “We put a pretty extensive and expansive list together, and we spent a lot of time really looking at the inspirations,” Nemec says.

In charge of coalescing those disparate tones is a staff who, previous to being recruited for the job, dedicated hours of previous free-time to watching and rewatching the anime. Joining Nemec on season 1 are Christopher Yost (Thor: Ragnarok), who wrote Cowboy Bebop’s initial pilot, Vivian Lee (Lost in Space), Liz Sagal (Sons of Anarchy), Karl Taro Greenfeld (Ray Donovan), Alexandra E Hartman, Sean Cummings (Everything Sucks!), Javier Grillo-Marxuach (Lost), and Jennifer Johnson (Designated Survivor). “People would come in for interviews and for meetings with their old school Cowboy Bebop t-shirts on,” Nemec recalls with a laugh. “Everybody who worked on this show got the job because they were talented, and they deserved it, but everyone brought a certain level of fandom and reverence for the anime to the material that we did.”

Aw hell... I'm optimistic. Even if it does turn out to be bad, it does seem like the folks behind the scenes genuinely revere the source material and have thought a lot about how to update it to live action. So it won't be for lack of trying.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#272: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:34:49 PM

@ Arthur Eld: I agree, "bitchy" is rude, but I have to admit that my credulity was tested with that particular complaint, too. I mean, we all have our hobby horses, and our own interpretations of the point past which something can change before it's ruined for us, but given that the make of gun Spike uses is a purely visual detail (by which I mean what kind of gun it is is never referenced in a piece of in-show dialogue) that most people who watched the series probably never caught (and wouldn't have, unless they were firearm enthusiasts), it seems an odd detail to which one might hitch their disappointment.

I genuinely have no desire to pick on anyone, or to be mean, but if I'm being honest that's a complaint that I find hard to take seriously. To me, it's like demanding that all the books on Spike's bookshelf be the same (if you ever saw his bookshelf), when they're never referenced and you'd have to freeze-frame to read what the titles are.

Edited by Robbery on Sep 10th 2021 at 4:37:13 AM

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#273: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:46:24 PM

If the main complaint in the end is that the guns aren't accurate...that's a really damn good adaptation.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#274: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:00:20 PM

The characters don't talk about their guns, but the animators certainly took great care in animating real guns and their action in detailed close-ups, not just Spike's. It seems like such an easy detail to get right, is the thing. But the mention of how real guns do charge licensing fees for movie appearances does explain it for me. I'd rather they spent that budget elsewhere, too.

So it's not a big deal to me personally, but it's always been a bit of a Gun Porn show, if you're into that kind of thing. Everybody seems to be coming down on Memers kinda hard just for saying they'd miss that aspect if it wasn't there. I can understand if not everyone shares that complaint, I don't, but I don't think it's unreasonable, really. Like I don't think the complaint was that not having the right gun would ruin the show by itself, just that it could be taken as a sign of a lack of faith or interest on the showrunners' parts.

But we've had some encouraging news since then. Got my hopes up. Fingers crossed.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#275: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:31:24 PM

I mean its such an easy aesthetic to get right, something just about any prop maker could get looking right in a few days, let alone just buying show accurate models and such. Its a very odd oversight, especially with a Signature Weapon that was even in the opening. Its like making a Devil May Cry anything without Dante using Ebony and Ivory or having Tidus from Final Fantasy X in something else without him wielding Brotherhood.

It leaves me with serious doubts that they are actually even trying.

Edited by Memers on Sep 10th 2021 at 7:34:20 AM


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