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Wispy Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jan 25th 2019 at 9:13:39 PM

I was...okayish with the villains being two African American twin women as that is pretty rare but I feared that it was going to turn into an alt-right wetdream.

Sadly seems like this will be the case. Eden's Gate never should of survived the nuke for all the innocents they killed and Joseph Seed should be a sorry sack of shit by the time of this game but looks like we aren't getting that.

CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jan 25th 2019 at 11:44:25 PM

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Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 26th 2019 at 12:00:15 PM

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jan 25th 2019 at 11:54:39 PM

Also, that article is wonderfully counter-intuitive.

"Criticize a game which portrays a racially and sexually diverse populace that is heroically resisting a brutal totalitarian cult."

rolls eyes

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jan 27th 2019 at 4:58:06 PM

Trailers for New Dawn have Joseph going "I LEAD US INTO THE NEW WORLD" and are full of tag lines like "THE FATHER WAS RIGHT" and... Ugh. I feel ill just looking at it.

This series really got pretty gross. It'd be smart for the advertising to be a bait-and-switch, but that would require brain cells to pull off.

Dirtyblue929 Armchair Developer from Secret Bunker Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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Jan 27th 2019 at 5:17:12 PM

[up] And if you read the comments on the trailers and such people are eating that premise up. "We get to team up with Father?! HELL YEAH THAT'S HOW THE FIRST GAME SHOULDA GONE"

Like, kudos to Ubisoft for figuring out what their audience really wants, I guess, but fuck me...

"Oh, no; I'm not brave enough for politics."
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jan 27th 2019 at 5:24:26 PM

Should one of us add to the main page all the tropes about audiences latching onto and agreeing with characters that they're REALLY not supposed to agree with or like?

Dirtyblue929 Armchair Developer from Secret Bunker Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Armchair Developer
Jan 27th 2019 at 5:41:23 PM

I mean, judging from how much the marketing is pandering to this stuff I'd say that those tropes don't apply — because the game looks like it's written in such a way that the audience is supposed to agree with them.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Jan 27th 2019 at 5:42:27 AM

"Oh, no; I'm not brave enough for politics."
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jan 27th 2019 at 5:44:24 PM

Is there such a trope for when a work is written, precieved a different way by its fanbase, and then gets developed for those fans regardless of how counter it is to the original work?

It feels like Flanderization but also... not that trope? I don't know how to explain it.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
Jan 27th 2019 at 6:32:50 PM

Oops how embarrassing

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on Jan 27th 2019 at 9:12:41 AM

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Dirtyblue929 Armchair Developer from Secret Bunker Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jan 28th 2019 at 1:38:49 AM

The story trailer says, "Allying with Joseph Seed is a deal with the Devil."

So either he'll be redeemed or he'll be a Enemy Mine.

I'm willing to give it a try since Far Cry games where you ally with an evil character then they turn on you (or you turn on them) is just this series. The whole theme is war is never heroic but dehumanizing and full of slippery slope moral compromises that leave you a monster.

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
Dhiruxide from Somewhere and nowhere
Jan 28th 2019 at 7:54:31 AM

Other tropers here pointed out problems and whatnot but I just wanted to say I'm looking more forward to RAGE 2 (changed my opinion about it when I learned more) than this.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Jan 28th 2019 at 7:27:58 PM

Lost on Mars was some of the best stuff Far Cry has ever done, up there with Blood Dragon.

Except for the idiot who thought that low gravity and Wingsuit Clutch Nixon stunts were a good match.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
Jan 29th 2019 at 10:36:49 AM

Is there going to be a Far Cry New Dawn Thread, or can we just continue New Dawn discussions in this thread?

Also.

Just the existence and premise of this game is kind of massive spoilers for 5, isn't it?

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on Jan 29th 2019 at 12:59:09 PM

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jan 29th 2019 at 3:54:53 PM

We may want to create a separate thread. It may be a sequel but it has plenty of its own material to make it stand out and we really shouldn't bog down this thread with new material.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jan 29th 2019 at 3:56:06 PM

This thread hasn't been used for a while until New Dawn was announced and, honestly, New Dawn ties into with what MOST of the thread post-release has discussed. I see little reason to open a new thread.

TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jan 29th 2019 at 4:47:04 PM

It only partly ties in, has new mechanics, new story, and a lot of different material. This thread is for far cry 5. Its usage rate is not the deciding factor.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jan 29th 2019 at 4:52:31 PM

New story that everything suggests is leading directly from the ending of the original and seemingly the reappearence of characters from FC 5.

Several other games have threads that encompass the original game and their related sequels no matter how direct. And, like I said, whatever happens in New Dawn is likely to just ven diagram into the discussions already being had here. Why wouldn't this just be treated like Freedom Cry was to Assassin's Creed 4? or like Burial at Sea was to Bioshock: Infinite? Separate stories but tied intimately into the original's.

TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jan 29th 2019 at 5:00:48 PM

Except you know the whole fact it is billed and built to be overtly different. If it was actually DLC you would have a point but it isn't. If you want this thread to be used then find something related to FC5 to talk about. And the majority of game threads spin off threads for sequels unless it is franchise thread. This is not a franchise thread. We are still expected to generally keep on topic about the game a thread is made for. We have pretty reached the logical conclusion of what we can talk about regarding the new game and its ties to this one. Which was a limited lifespan subject to begin with.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jan 29th 2019 at 5:11:30 PM

We have pretty reached the logical conclusion of what we can talk about regarding the new game and its ties to this one.

Until... y'know, the game is actually released.

Gosh. This conversation feels really wierd when it started with a 'Maybe we should do x' and then turned into a 'This is not a discussion' vibe.

TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jan 29th 2019 at 6:17:23 PM

There is only so much FC 5 related material you can squeeze out before it becomes about the new game specifically. It will have a limited scope and lifetime just like it does now. Most of the material will be WAG's and easter eggs and continuity nods with some story related material.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
Jan 30th 2019 at 1:44:53 AM

I still need to give FC 5 a try - friends have played it and really rate the GAME as it were. The plot is thin, as we've raised here before, but I'm currently at the "do I just replay FC 4" versus "Should I shell out some birthday cash on this".

i'm waiting for a sale on it anyway, but I do, overall, enjoy the Far Cry games. I'm not a great fan of enforced cutscenes but most games do them anyway and we haven't got a true TRUE sandbox with reactive plot; nor are we likely to get one for a long time.

TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jan 30th 2019 at 11:44:25 AM

The plot isn't horrible in and of itself and the world detail has some good touches. However, it is a far cry game. Some of the side missions though are pretty great.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
SgtRicko from Guam, USA Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Jan 30th 2019 at 3:01:15 PM

I'll second the idea for a New Dawn thread, because the chances are that spinoff is going to receive it's own DLC which will only confuse matters further.

But, before that happens... I'm wondering if Ubisoft realizes just how closely they are catering to the far-right fringe survivalist-type groups with the plot. A post-apocalyptic setting where only the self-serving bandits, dooms-day preppers, and a psychotic religious cult who predicted the impending Armageddon are the only prosperous survivors? That's, like, all three groups wet dream of being proven right, and they're NOT the kind of guys you want to be vindicating.

Edited by SgtRicko on Jan 31st 2019 at 11:02:56 PM

Would you believe I never fully watched the original Indiana Jones trilogy? I gotta correct that someday.
TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jan 30th 2019 at 3:12:23 PM

Yeah, that is the thing that kind of bothered me about 5.

"Who watches the watchmen?"

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