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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#276: Dec 23rd 2019 at 8:21:42 PM

Regarding the curse of the Black Sun, is this actually a thing or a superstition?

The funny thing is that it's probably a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (treating young noble women like dirt so they become Ax-Crazy nutters) that simultaneously means that the prophecy is accurate.

The Greeks loved this shit.

"Orpheus will kill his father and marry his mother. So dad throws Orpheus to the wolves so Orpheus doesn't know the man he later kills is his father or the woman that was his widow was his mother."

Destiny in the Witcher exists, probably, and it is a witch.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 23rd 2019 at 8:22:15 AM

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#277: Dec 23rd 2019 at 8:22:22 PM

Jaskier is his Polish name, its literal translation being "Buttercup," as in the flower. The English translations for the novels went with Dandelion for a less feminine-sounding name.

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#278: Dec 23rd 2019 at 8:24:44 PM

Ah, so Jaskier = Dandelion because of adaptational translation. Got it. I figured he'd get called the name explicitly at some point for the benefit of English audiences.

This show definitely likes to show how attempting to fight fate only makes your life harder. Geralt is living proof of that. "Witchers don't feel emotions." Hah. Damn, Cavill really sells this role. I've already forgotten about Superman.

Honestly, all the main characters feel perfectly cast so far. I don't know why people don't like Ciri. She's portrayed exactly as I'd expect her to be. Yen is absolutely fantastic, too. Triss only has a cameo, but I guess we can't pile all of Geralt's lovers or would-be lovers into the story at once. Gotta save something for later seasons.

It would be incredibly fun to see Yen and Triss fighting over Geralt like they do in TW3. I have no idea how fast they plan to progress the main plot, assuming they continue to be greenlit for more seasons, but I hope we get to the finale eventually.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 23rd 2019 at 11:34:34 AM

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#279: Dec 23rd 2019 at 8:40:28 PM

That's because Triss wasn't really a character of notice until Blood of Elves. Spoilers for the rest of the novels, so read on only if you're so inclined:

    Novel Spoilers 
Even then Triss isn't really a main character in the novels. She's fairly important in Blood of Elves, as she's the one who oversees Ciri's training in Kaer Morhen, but in the rest of the novels she's more of a background character who exists as more of a plot device, assisting in advancing Geralt, Yen and Ciri's plot, hence why it would probably be a huge surprise for game-only folks to see that she isn't a main character and that Yen is the main love interest from the start.

Edited by ITNW1989 on Dec 23rd 2019 at 8:44:24 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280: Dec 23rd 2019 at 10:10:13 PM

Triss is basically not Triss either.

Triss in the Witcher 1 is a Suspiciously Similar Substitute for Yennefer. She gets a bit more of her personality back as the game's progress but even then is a lot Lighter and Softer.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 23rd 2019 at 10:10:40 AM

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#281: Dec 23rd 2019 at 11:12:41 PM

Zoltan and Shani aren't really main characters in the books either.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282: Dec 24th 2019 at 12:43:50 AM

Shani is an Ascended Extra for a bit more sex appeal.

Not sure why Zoltan replaced Yarpen too.

But maybe it was for more freedom or someone at CPR *REALLY* hated Yennefer.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 24th 2019 at 12:45:27 PM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#283: Dec 24th 2019 at 6:53:29 AM

Yeah, Dandelion is Jaskier.

Also I wonder if we'll be seeing the Battle of Brenna as a season-ending event at some point later in the show's seasons. We've already gotten First Sodden in this season...

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#284: Dec 24th 2019 at 6:58:23 AM

Yeah, that was a major awesome moment in the books. The Northlings finally getting their shit together and kicking Nilfgaard's black asses to hell and back and outta their countries.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 24th 2019 at 4:00:43 PM

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#285: Dec 24th 2019 at 7:49:50 AM

It'd definitely be a huge step up from the first episode, which already had a massive battle happen.

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#286: Dec 24th 2019 at 1:43:55 PM

Oh man.....watching E7 now. THAT is supposed to be Vilgefortz?! Casting has been this shows biggest weak point so far.

Now I am afraid of what they'll do to Bonhart.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287: Dec 24th 2019 at 5:12:25 PM

I dunno, Vilgefortz being a Spanish good looking guy isn't a particularly shocking choice.

My big issues have been with characterization choices:

  • Fringilla and Cahir becoming Nilfgaardian Zealots.
  • Tissaia breaking Mage Neutrality to put her at Sodden.
  • Vilgefortz being at Sodden (that may be canon, though)
  • Calenthe the mass elf murderer

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#288: Dec 24th 2019 at 5:27:34 PM

Apparently SJ Ws (and I say that in the least right-wing tone I can) are upset that Yennefer's plotline is supposedly "ableist".

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#289: Dec 24th 2019 at 5:55:43 PM

[up]And I’m going to groan.

I watched the first three episodes today and while I see some of the complaints, I’m hooked so far.

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#290: Dec 24th 2019 at 6:10:42 PM

I'm not going to indulge those people. Yennefer works extremely hard to overcome her deformity and is shown to pay a terrible price for her transformation.

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#291: Dec 24th 2019 at 6:14:46 PM

[up]Yeah, everything I’ve seen so far is it’s integral to her character arc of desiring approval, and the suffering she endures in pursuit of it.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#292: Dec 24th 2019 at 7:26:16 PM

Not to mention it's not the Inspirationally Disadvantaged type of deformity either; she hates what she used to be and never wants to go back to that again, along with being bullied and mistreated for a genetic deformity.

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#293: Dec 24th 2019 at 7:29:46 PM

Everything about her upbringing taught her to view herself as unlovable, and her physical appearance is only a trivial part of that. Her struggle is with her self-image, and it's absolutely clear that being made beautiful doesn't fix it.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 24th 2019 at 10:30:04 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#295: Dec 24th 2019 at 10:07:38 PM

I think he can pull off Old Swordsman.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#296: Dec 25th 2019 at 1:01:27 AM

It would be great if Mark got to play the gruff, but loving mentor to Geralt and Ciri he was always destined to be in Star Wars.

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#297: Dec 25th 2019 at 10:46:37 AM

> Apparently SJ Ws (and I say that in the least right-wing tone I can) are upset that Yennefer's plotline is supposedly "ableist".

Yeah,it sounds like the outrage is being manufactured by the right wing trolls

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#298: Dec 25th 2019 at 10:55:36 AM

They try to argue it’s ableism, but Yen’s arc makes it clear that her transformation doesn’t go that far in solving any of her deep-seated issues.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#299: Dec 25th 2019 at 10:56:44 AM

I mean, Episode 7 so much as spells it out that Yen traded beauty for her soul ("At least you kept your eyes.")

That reminds me of the group of people that tried to argue that Black Panther is anti-refugee.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 25th 2019 at 7:57:20 PM

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LoutishHelminthic Since: May, 2017
#300: Dec 25th 2019 at 4:11:16 PM

I really liked the show,but I think people that not read the books or play the games will be a bit lost until they relize that some events is non chronological.

My main Issue is that I will take some time to get used to that Vilgefortz casting, He just nothing to do the way I imagine him,I picture him more like a Catholic Priest,He looks to much like a Assassin Creed character,and all the blame is mine, he was the character I hyped most because is a very important character that not appear on the games.

I liked Kylo Ren Cahir, his fighting against Vilgefortz was awesome,I read some very dumb fan complaining about this fight,because Vilgerfortz lost the battle and SPOILERS : He will defeat Geralt on a battle latter.

I hate Power Level fans so much on every media.

Edited by LoutishHelminthic on Dec 25th 2019 at 10:17:32 AM


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