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May 5th 2017 at 10:01:48 AM

Yeah, she's got like, a 50/50 in Anime Hair.

Soble College Professor from Blackwell Academy Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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May 5th 2017 at 10:03:43 AM

Did they ever show the other three in the first Darksiders? I only played a little bit of the second game.

So yesterday I was kind of bored and decided to try out DSD 1 again and once I got over the artstyle, which still sucks, I actually started to enjoy it. There's some brilliance and fun to be had with this game, and I think it helps that I started treating it more like a Zelda game and less like an action game.The combat isn't particularly deep

It pretty much rang up as "God of War meets Zelda" to me.

I never gave it much of a chance and kind of forgot this series existed until now - but I remember being surprised at how involved DS 2's combat/stat system seemed.

Nice. The Whip sword will help her stand out from the heavier weapons Death and War use, thankfully.

I don't know, does a lighter weapon make sense for an embodiment of the apocalypse?

the plot

I've never paid much attention to it but wasn't the plot:

  • DS 1: War accidentally starts the end of the world as we know it early and is trying to prove himself innocent? Does he actually avert the "end of the world?"
  • DS 2: So then the world has already ended... shouldn't there not be a story anymore? IIRC the game begins with Death trying to prove War innocent.
  • DS 3: So now it's about Fury trying to recapture the Seven Deadly Sins around the same time Death was doing his thing in DS 2?

edited 5th May '17 10:11:49 AM by Soble

I was just wondering... if you'd like to spend the rest of your life in my Dark Room.
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May 5th 2017 at 10:07:44 AM

You see the other three on their horses in the intro, but they are hard to make out. Darksiders 2 is when we got their silhouette. You see their weapons clearly though.

edited 5th May '17 10:08:51 AM by Ghilz

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May 5th 2017 at 10:08:26 AM

The first Darksiders saw Death, Strife, and Fury all descending to Earth as the final shot of the game. But aside from the shots of them massacring the Nephilim no, we don't see their faces in the games.

They're more visible in the tie-in Darksiders 2 comics, but other than that, no.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
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May 5th 2017 at 10:09:22 AM

[up] By "See them arrivign to earth" you mean "saw 3 balls of differently coloured light"

Soble College Professor from Blackwell Academy Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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May 5th 2017 at 10:11:01 AM

Well, that's pretty cool then. I remember hearing about how there would be a game for each one but given the last game was released in, what, 2012, I'd assumed DS 2 finished the story.

I was just wondering... if you'd like to spend the rest of your life in my Dark Room.
May 5th 2017 at 11:02:48 AM

I've never paid much attention to it but wasn't the plot:

  • DS 1: War accidentally starts the end of the world as we know it early and is trying to prove himself innocent? Does he actually avert the "end of the world?"
  • DS 2: So then the world has already ended... shouldn't there not be a story anymore? IIRC the game begins with Death trying to prove War innocent.
  • DS 3: So now it's about Fury trying to recapture the Seven Deadly Sins around the same time Death was doing his thing in DS 2?

It's a little more complicated than that. I'm assuming you don't care about spoilers since you're here, so I won't bother with tags.

  • DS 1: An angel launches a surprise attack on the demons. He tried to keep the Horsemen from getting involved, but War heard the call and rode out, which officially started the Endwar and resulted in the extinction of the human race, and he got blamed for it. The game ends with War pretty much declaring war (heh) on both Heaven and Hell, but the other three Horsemen are being summoned to help.
  • DS 2: The other Horsemen are informed of War's crimes. Death decides to resurrect humanity to oblivate War's crimes. At the end of the game he sacrifices himself to bring them back and probably succeeded, but gets summoned back to Earth due to War's actions in the first game.
  • DS 3: Apparently takes place during the hundred years War was imprisoned. So it seems to be before DS 2, but after DS 1 starts.

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May 5th 2017 at 11:04:23 AM

Isn't DS 2 ALSO during War's imprisonment? Coz Death clearly talks about War being imprisoned.

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May 5th 2017 at 11:05:58 AM

Indeed Darksider's 2 runs concurrently with or slightly before Darksiders 1.

Its what make makes Death well death & War breaking the seals happen at just the right the moment.

I fully expect Fury to die at the end of this game like the rest of her brothers as well.

edited 5th May '17 11:07:41 AM by slimcoder

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May 5th 2017 at 11:12:22 AM

Well, IIRC, the game doesn't explicitly say that Death's Death occurs at the same time as the final seal breaking. Could be a time lapse between the two.

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May 5th 2017 at 11:13:22 AM

I wonder where the humans are though.

Like how could they be resurrected exactly?

edited 5th May '17 11:13:39 AM by slimcoder

Soble College Professor from Blackwell Academy Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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May 5th 2017 at 11:17:44 AM

The timeline between War being imprisoned and being helped/aided by Death is still a little confusing.

I was just wondering... if you'd like to spend the rest of your life in my Dark Room.
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May 5th 2017 at 11:21:50 AM

Basically at some point between War starting the apocalypse and the final seal breaking, Death does his own thing. I feel based on no one mentioning War being back that Death "dies" before DS 1's main plot occurs.

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May 5th 2017 at 11:26:56 AM

Death did die in a remote location though. The plot of the game revolved around him going to the remote fringes of creation beyond Heaven, Hell & the Council to find a solution Earth's peril. I don't think anyone would know that he died & they just assume he's alive just on a fruitless quest that can last forever.

Seems like Fury's back on Earth though I wonder if we can visit other worlds especially since Fury has actual Council authority in this game unlike War & Death.

I'm sure in the actual game proper Sloth will get a cinematic boss introduction & epic finisher, every boss has. As well as answer whether that thing on Fury's back is indeed a weapon or not.

edited 5th May '17 11:33:53 AM by slimcoder

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May 5th 2017 at 11:32:09 AM

Yeah, by DS 2, War's crusade against Heaven, Hell and the Council hadn't really been properly resolved. The first game was like a setup for a bigger conflict and DS 2 was an interquel that expanded the lore significantly, but didn't actually continue where the first game left off. That was why it was disappointing that the series seemed to be dead in the water.

From the look of things they're going to do the same interquel thing with Fury and Strife.

Anyways, I hope Fury ends up being fun. A big reason why I prefer DS 2 so far (haven't finished it) is because Death was just a lot more funny and charismastic than War and his mission and backstory gave him some pathos. War's motivations and character make sense but his stoic demeanor makes him come off as a lot duller to me.

edited 5th May '17 11:37:44 AM by Draghinazzo

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Soble College Professor from Blackwell Academy Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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May 5th 2017 at 11:36:37 AM

War starting the apocalypse

So that's not actually the start of the game?

I thought the premise was that War had started the apocalypse early and Hell had already broken loose, and he was trying to reverse it and clear his name. But it seems weird that he could start it by accident, get blamed but not imprisoned, spend the whole game trying to fix it, only to be imprisoned. Then DS 2 just expands on what happened in the first but ends at some point before War is freed and before DS 1 actually ends and-

Well, time to Google that plot summary.

Anyway, Fury looks badass.

edited 5th May '17 11:37:14 AM by Soble

I was just wondering... if you'd like to spend the rest of your life in my Dark Room.
May 5th 2017 at 11:38:25 AM

Let me try to plot out a timeline:

  • Year 0: Abaddon attacks Hell, War rides out alone, the Endwar begins. War is imprisoned for starting the whole mess. Soon after, the other Horsemen are informed of War's crimes.
  • Sometime after this, humanity dies off.
  • Sometime after this, Death decides to resurrect humanity.
  • Sometime after this, Fury is sent on her mission.
  • Year 100: War is sent out to kill the Destroyer. He does so, then summons the rest of the Horsemen to Earth. Death finishes his quest to resurrect humanity before this; the second game implies it happens literally minutes before War summons the rest of the Horsemen, but it's unclear.

Death either took a long time to decide what to do or the events of the second game took place over a hundred years.

EDIT: [up] Yes. Sort of. The key thing to remember is that Abaddon (the angel) was trying very hard to keep the Horsemen out of the Endwar so that he could destroy the demons quickly and cleanly without any interference. There are seven seals that must be broken to start the Endwar; Abaddon had forgeries made and broke all of the real seals except for the last one, since the last one summons the Horsemen. Abaddon was betrayed and the demons were ready for him so the Endwar started without the Horsemen. War heard a fake call so he rode out, but it looked like everything was his fault for riding out early (since the seals were all apparently intact). He was imprisoned for a hundred years then given a mission to kill the Destroyer, which was the first game. He discovers everything that happened, and then at the end of the game he breaks the seventh seal, summoning his siblings.

edited 5th May '17 11:44:11 AM by Discar

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May 5th 2017 at 11:42:06 AM

It's not THAT complicated.

War does start the Apocalypse early, and the Apocalypse does happen. War doesn't really understand what was going on or why he was summoned if it wasn't supposed to start, but gets blamed for it and imprisoned for a hundred years. He gets brought back to Earth 100 years later and the whole planet is torched and fille with demons since Hell won. He fights the commander of Hell's legions, finds out he was set up to take the fall, and summons his siblings to wage war on everyone.

Darksiders 2's plot is mostly about Death trying to prove War's innocence and undo the damage he's supposedly done by restoring humanity. It happens around the same time War gets sent back to Earth to find out what actually happened.

[nja]

edited 5th May '17 11:46:04 AM by Draghinazzo

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
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May 5th 2017 at 11:44:15 AM

War is sent out to kill the Destroyer. He does so, then summons the rest of the Horsemen to Earth. Death finishes his quest to resurrect humanity before this; the second game implies it happens literally minutes before War summons the rest of the Horsemen, but it's unclear.

Death either took a long time to decide what to do or the events of the second game took place over a hundred years.

When does the game ever imply this? I mean, the only implication is coz there's no humans around War, but resurrecting them never meant they'd be back on Earth. The resolution only mentions Death is dead, but he'd return when War breaks the seal.

May 5th 2017 at 11:48:36 AM

I just mean the way the finale cutscene is framed, going straight from Death's sacrifice to the summoning. Plus, I got the impression that Death's sacrifice was supposed to be permanent, and the only reason it wasn't is because he got a huge burst of power from the summoning before he finished dying, paralleling with War getting stabbed in the first game.

Also, there's a short time in which humanity could have been resurrected without War noticing. Yeah, the final battle takes place somewhere you wouldn't expect humans to be, but the rest of the game was mostly in human cities. It's not like humans just started popping up halfway through the game.

EDIT: Oh wait, I misread your post a bit. You're right, it's not clear exactly what "resurrecting humanity" means. I kinda assumed they'd just start popping up on Earth again, but maybe it's something else, like there's a specific location that they'll spread from. If they just started popping up randomly, the demons would just easily kill them again, so Death would have found a better solution. Like maybe he would have told the angels "Hey, a few billion humans are going to show up soon, try to keep them safe."

edited 5th May '17 11:53:03 AM by Discar

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May 5th 2017 at 11:52:32 AM

That entirely depends on humans resurrecting on earth, and not somewhere else. The Darksiders wiki says DS2 was "decades" before Ds1 but gives no context

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May 5th 2017 at 11:56:02 AM

Considering the Crowfather was there maybe he helped transport the humans to a safer or specific location?

Also I wonder who/what is gonna function as Fury's version if the Watcher & Death's crow.

edited 5th May '17 11:56:19 AM by slimcoder

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May 6th 2017 at 7:43:42 PM

"I'll show you fear, there is no hell, only darkness." My twitter
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May 6th 2017 at 7:47:28 PM

That video I posted last page :-P


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