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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#326: Sep 9th 2017 at 1:38:26 PM

I found it ok how all turned out.

I just don't know how the last episode will pan out. Will it be the creations saying goodbye before dissapearing?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#327: Sep 9th 2017 at 1:53:34 PM

It does kind of feel like Altair and Megane came out of this as Karma Houdinis lol

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#328: Sep 9th 2017 at 1:55:12 PM

Altair mostly got a few creations killed, but a creation doesn't really die do they?

I agree with Magane, she did murder real people and i wanted someone to punch her in the face really bad.

edited 9th Sep '17 1:56:11 PM by fasoman1996

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#329: Sep 9th 2017 at 2:10:08 PM

Sequel hooks! With OP Altair out of the way, we can get a lower key genre clash in fictional real world.

edited 9th Sep '17 2:12:58 PM by googlebot

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WoodyAlien3rd from Persimmon Land (Italy) Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
#330: Sep 9th 2017 at 2:17:32 PM

My question is, did they really need 22 episodes to reach this conclusion? It really makes the involvement of the other Creations look pointless in the end, because frankly, what they did contribute to with all their fighting and dying and getting random power ups? Yes, there's Chikujoin, but as Duck says they mostly added her to have someone with a reality warping power just to justify the (already kind of flawed) "acceptance" stuff.

In the end I'm not even sure what the core message of the show is.

Maybe it's "if you write a generic Villain Sue edgy OC donut steel character, and pass it off as some meta-fictional experiment, people will like it and root for it"?

"Effective Altruism" is just another bunch of horsesh*t.
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#332: Sep 9th 2017 at 3:52:35 PM

The message is about what stories mean to people, but I think it went too far on Most Writers Are Writers, alienating the non-writer part of the audience about it.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#333: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:17:30 PM

[up] Hell, I'm a writer and I didn't care jack about what was going on. The background music was nice, at least. And Altair finally learned that violins are a things that exist.

edited 9th Sep '17 7:18:50 PM by fillerdude

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#334: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:23:31 PM

I hate that people are reading Yuri into this when it's more like a mother trying to talk down her child.

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#335: Sep 10th 2017 at 5:41:14 PM

So, Altair got no punishment.

And I am supossed to be happy for her.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#336: Sep 11th 2017 at 11:00:34 PM

I hated literally everything about this episode. Unless something changes with the last ep, totally ruined the show for me.

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#337: Sep 12th 2017 at 12:27:57 PM

It's a very controversial resolution to the plot. I'd say Metro 2033-level of controversial (the book, at least). You'll either hate it or love it.

I just can't help but feel disappointment. As I've said, it makes sense and is kind of a fresh air compared to the usual "and then evil was vaporized by heroes' spirit or whatever", but I still maintain that Altair getting nope'd out of existence by the public's hostile reaction (presumably to her killing Setsuna as a "fake") would ring much more solidly.

The question is, what will this last episode be? It can't just be all goodbyes. Is Altair coming back for seconds? Is Magane going to be relevant? Are they just going to make it a filler episode?

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#338: Sep 12th 2017 at 12:41:31 PM

We have to have a proper Beach Episode before the series wraps up.

And someone slaps Altair. She has to suffer something right? tongue

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WoodyAlien3rd from Persimmon Land (Italy) Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
#339: Sep 14th 2017 at 4:04:38 AM

I read somewhere that the scene with Magane at the airport is the last we're going to see of her. I'm not even surprised, given the general inability of the writer to handle more than a few characters. I wonder why, if they actually had budget problems as Sexy Meteora implied, they couldn't have made the same story but with half the episodes and half the characters.

As for Altair, Hiroe at least was right on one thing: people like her for no reason. Most of the comments of people who were happy about this ending and thought she deserved it are stuff like "she's cute" or "she has an interesting design". Or are obsessive yuri fans who can't see past their shipping goggles.

Also, couldn't they have brought to life Shirotsumekusa to fight Altair, instead of pulling out of their ass a new character with no backstory that lasted half an episode?

"Effective Altruism" is just another bunch of horsesh*t.
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#340: Sep 14th 2017 at 7:14:47 AM

[up] I think not, as Sirius is supposed to exemplify passionless writing. Using a pre-existing character would weaken the point.

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#341: Sep 14th 2017 at 8:22:34 AM

I don't think Magane disappearing is bad writing. She deserves worse, sure. But, in a story where fictional characters confront reality, a villain just leaving while making sure the world doesn't end is actually clever.

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#342: Sep 14th 2017 at 10:13:14 AM

We'll see what happens with Magane next episode. It's probably gonna be focused on getting the creations home, and sending her back to her world strikes me as really damn karmic, especially given that she killed her writer.

Honestly, her just leaving would grate on me considerably more than what happened with Altair. Like, Altair may not have been punished in a meaningful way, but she's also not a threat to anything anymore. (unless she happens to turn out to be the villain of the story world she ends up in, but that's that world's problem to deal with, if so) Magane, meanwhile, is still a serial killer with superpowers. That didn't stop being a thing. If they just let her go, that choice is gonna get a lot of people killed.

edited 14th Sep '17 5:39:49 PM by Gilphon

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#343: Sep 14th 2017 at 10:16:12 AM

I'm probably one of the few people that don't mind Altair getting off scot free, but Magane is surely someone i don't want being a Karma Houdini. At least if she goes back to her story she would be stuck in limbo since she murdered her creator.

Altair did nothing wrong

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Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#344: Sep 14th 2017 at 12:09:40 PM

I get the impression that Magane worked most of the murder out of her system. Originally she killed people because that's how she was written, but she changed like all the Creations did and I think now she'd be reluctant to destroy things that can still entertain her.

Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#345: Sep 14th 2017 at 12:09:40 PM

(Double post)

edited 14th Sep '17 12:10:12 PM by Prime32

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#346: Sep 14th 2017 at 1:10:53 PM

Magane operates on It Amused Me even now after she stopped being so manic about murder. She gambles with Sota with the fate of the world on the line for no other reason than to get her jollies.

She evolved from immoral to amoral. That's not really an upgrade. Anyway, she was always a third party so her going about her own way is not necessarily bad for me as a viewer, but I can understand why letting someone like her go scot free is dangerous in-universe. Unfortunately, the preview is out and there's not a lick of Magane in it; it looks more like people saying their goodbyes and having some well-earned fun (in-between Matsubara and Takarada mourning) before they have to inevitably go back home. If they can go back home.

Curiously, it's Altair who announces the preview.

edited 14th Sep '17 1:11:11 PM by FergardStratoavis

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#347: Sep 14th 2017 at 1:19:01 PM

Maybe Altair returns and apologizes for all the trouble. Then she gets slapped in the face

But probably that isn't happening. At least the second part.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#348: Sep 16th 2017 at 9:39:19 AM

And so it ends.

Not gonna spoil tag anything since there's not much to spoil. Episode is pretty much just the denouement and a send off to the characters and story.

Oh and Meteora has to stay in the real world cuz reasons

edited 16th Sep '17 9:45:32 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#349: Sep 16th 2017 at 9:44:16 AM

Last ep is out.

It's just a wrap-up. Meteora stays while others go back home and have some final talks with their Creators (or not, in Blitz's case) beforehand. She also picked up writing; her new story is named, ohoho, Re:CREATORS. Because we're so self-aware.

Magane is completely unaccounted for despite showing up in the last piece of fanart together with every other Creation sans Altair. Apparently, Mamika gets a crossover with Alicetaria however, so there's that. Sota is not "just a narrator" after all and Nakanogane even notes that for all the work put in Elimination Chamber Festival by professional mangakas and illustrators, they all got one-upped by a shitty OC and needed Sota's Magane-assisted Deus Ex Machina to succeed; no, that was the only way.

Conclusion: Good stuff, food for thought, but the last stretch of the show just didn't feel right and had too much holes in it.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#350: Sep 16th 2017 at 9:46:35 AM

I mean, they said it best. They were just supporting characters to make the real main characters look good.

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