Alright so, finally sat through the video.
So...fuck, I don't know what to say. I loved it. I haven't felt this much appreciation for a Contra Points video since...damn, either since I first watched her or when she released her gender dysphoria short film. I applaud her for making this. Kind of struck a personal note for me.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I think going in-depth on this subject is better suited to the race thread in OTC, but just as a cursory example, there's a pretty big wealth gap overall between white people, black people and hispanic people which is representative of a racial legacy that's still present. The Pew Research Center published some data a while back indicating that whites on average have 10 times the median wealth of black families, for example.
If you're curious you could probably check the sources on the wikipedia articles for white privilege, male privilege and racial wealth inequality and find more sources documenting these things in more detail.
edited 3rd Feb '18 8:24:16 PM by Draghinazzo
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Asking for evidence of a statement isn't unreasonable (in the majority of situations, I agree that those who make statements have the burden of proving them), but you're basically asking to prove a bunch of different things to your satisfaction in a thread that probably isn't the best place for that kind of discussion. I suggested checking wikipedia not because you should take their articles at face value, but because the citations are often valid scientific or scholarly research or reports by reputable news organizations.
While browsing the articles I suggested I found, among other things, this World Economic Forum
and AAUW
reports about the disparity of pay between men and women, this SCOTUSblog report about how black people are often prevented from serving as jurors in cases where the prosecution thinks they'll affect the verdict they want
, which are just a few examples. In regards to the more theoretical/sociological studies, I also found Robin Diangelo's essay about white fragility (about how the majority, in this case being whites, are insulated from racial stress)
and Peggy McIntosh's essay describing some of the way privilege works.
Like I said, if you're actually all that curious about it, you're probably better off digging into this yourself, and specifically talking about the evidence for institutional sexism/racism and scholarly theories about majority privilege is better suited for the appropriate threads on OTC.
edited 4th Feb '18 10:31:17 AM by Draghinazzo
Contra tweeted a small addendum to the Autogynephilia video
:
2/5 When Blanchard/Bailey have their PR faces on, their defense of themselves is, "we're not transphobic because we fully support the right of autogynephiles to transition."
3/5 But some androphilic trans women actually latch on to Blanchardism because they mistakenly think it distinguishes them, the "true transsexuals," from the autogynephilic perverts.
4/5 This is the wrong high horse to get atop, girls. There are no "true trans women" according to Blanchard. There are only homosexual men and autogynephilic men. And pointing this out is usually the best way to shut down that argument.
5/5 I mean it may be worth arguing against "folk Blanchardism" that says that straight trans women are the only "true transsexuals" anyway, since that's a common enough belief on its own. But it's also worth remembering that this is not actually Blanchard's/Bailey's claim.
edited 11th Feb '18 5:32:04 AM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
You're supposed to add a summary when you post videos.
Having watched it already, it's a short introduction to systemic racism against Black People within the United States, covering issues like redlining, mass incarceration and segregation.
In the description, this is quoted as further reading:
Misc Sources:
[Chicago Tribune] Decades later, black homebuyers' battle for justice back in spotlight
[Chicago Tribune] Studies link childhood lead exposure, violent crime
[Washington Post] Freddie Gray’s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks
Yeah, it's kind of an expansion on that one (actually, a synthesis of that points in that video, plus some more explanations of other ways systemic racism works).
To be honest, I like the Baltimore video more, because I think it explains systemic discrimination more thoroughly, and it kinda feels like a documentary. Here's the other one:
edited 28th Feb '18 4:25:19 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVThe first time I heard of Ta-nehisi Coates was as 'the guy writing Black Panther'... And now Captain America too?
edited 1st Mar '18 2:01:18 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.So we have the tentative schedule for a few videos Contra is planning for the next couple of months
. March will be Part 2 of "What's Wrong with Capitalism", April will be a video titled "Are Traps Gay?", and May will be one on postmodernism.
And hoo boy, the responses to her April vid's title are dividing people up. For those that don't know, trap is a transphobic slur that pushes a disgusting stereotype of trans women (and it's usually women) actually being very effeminate men. Now, I want to hope that it's ultimately just going to be her criticizing the meme (which most likely it will be) but I and several others have gotten frustrated both with the title and Contra (again) being resistant to people criticizing her for it. The biggest frustration and source of debate is over whether or not it's a good idea to try and use said word in the title. As someone who is trans, I'm...really uneased about reclaiming the word and I'm greatly annoyed at the amount of cis people I've seen either defend her using it in the title or laughing smugly about her "triggering" the left.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I'm cis but my trans friends really don't like Contra precisely because of stunts like this. As a former subscriber this thread is what I use to keep up on what she's doing these days, I unsubscribed because I wasn't comfortable supporting someone that my trans friends felt ignored and hurt by.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sad that she's apparently doing it again.
I actually subbed back to her after her autogynephilia video had a fairly big personal impact on me, but I'm having second guesses on that. I genuinely think her videos have still been good (though I dislike the constant sketches she throws in there) but stunts like this are indeed alienating a good deal of trans women who previously supported her.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Well, it's doing its job: I really want to see it. 'Traps', as in, the fetish about cis men that you could confuse for women, used to be a big thing for me when I was younger. It was very specific, too: I once became friends with such a guy... then when she turned out to be a transsexual in transition, the physical attraction disappeared. The worst part is, she seems to have picked up on that developed an attraction to me at the same time as I lost mine for her, which has led to drama.
I still can't figure out why my attraction works the way it does and there's an absolute dearth of intelligent discussion on the topic. I'd like to understand all this a bit better so I can avoid hurting others by accident like this.
edited 18th Mar '18 1:42:00 AM by TheHandle
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That's not what trap means. It's used to refer to trans women "trapping" cis men by "hiding" their genitalia until sex, something that is absolute horseshit and gravely offensive to myself. Also, it's transgender, not transsexual, and that may not be the intent but it comes off like misgendering in there.
Eh...don't know who that is but at least Contra is acknowledging that cis men shouldn't say that shit. I really don't believe in reclaiming slurs but I know that some trans women have reclaimed the word "tranny". Matter of subjectivity that uneases me.
Of course, generally people reclaim slurs that are already vulnerable. Homosexuals reclaimed "dyke" and "queer" because nobody uses them as slurs that much. But "faggot"? Not much people reclaiming it. It comes off as ignorance towards the people who don't like it because guess what, it's still fresh in people's minds that it's a hurtful word.
Also apparently the book she mentioned is kind of controversial too? So, not helping her case.
edited 18th Mar '18 8:42:12 AM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

I was making a flavor pun.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.