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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#151: Apr 29th 2017 at 11:59:06 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I can understand why someone would dislike Ryuk but calling him evil doesn't seem very fair. Expecting god's of death to care about life seems like a losing proposition to me.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#152: Apr 29th 2017 at 12:20:26 PM

Their world is just so goddamn boring. Hope it translates well for the Netflix movie.

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#153: Apr 30th 2017 at 12:09:34 AM

Ok, late to the conversation, but last page discussed that one of the rules can't let you kill more people indirectly via the Death Note (i.e. You couldn't send in a suicide bomber without the names of everyone he'd kill perfectly).

I call bullshit, or at the very least, the logic of the rule is shakey. If merely, the definition of 'indirectly' is too vague. Events influence people in indirect ways. Yeah, there's the obvious 'I emptied a clip before killing myself' indirect, but what about the actions of the events themselves.

For example, what if the leader of some country went on camera and shot themselves? Wouldn't that possibly skyrocket suicides in the area? Or, heck, what if the death written for them in the Death Note told a foreign leader to do something insane like order his army to nuke another country before passing away in his sleep.

Technically, the named person isn't actually killing anyone else, but the events of their death would cause more deaths.

Though, its been awhile since I read the series so I don't know if they clarified this.

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#154: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:47:08 AM

You're referring to the butterfly effect. Unforeseeable consequences of the death. We're talking about killing people via the actual instructions for the death. For instance, if you write, "Person walks into the mall with a shotgun and kills six people," the Death Note will tell you to f*ck yourself and default to heart attack.

edited 30th Apr '17 6:47:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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#155: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:05:06 AM

The Death Note has shown the ability to read the intent of its user. For example, writing someone's name wrong three times renders them immune to the Note—but trying to do this on purpose kills you, the writer. Or how shinigami often accidentally extend the lives of mortals, but doing it on purpose kills them.

I imagine it would be something similar with what you're thinking. Trying to make the president order an army to invade wouldn't work, and he'd just die of a heart attack. But if you kill the president with the Death Note and his more hawkish vice president takes over and declares war, that's not your fault.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#156: Apr 30th 2017 at 9:25:46 AM

Like how Light used the Death Note to control Ray Penbar and make him send Light the names of all the other FBI agents in Japan.

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#157: Apr 30th 2017 at 12:00:08 PM

Light didn't use the Note on Penbar until after he tricks him into writing the names down on paper from the Death Note. If he had the plan wouldn't have worked; setting aside the "can't force someone to kill people clause," Penbar is the only one who knew what the agents looked like; the names on their own would have been useless to Light. Everything up to Penbar writing the names down was just really ballsy bullshitting on Light's part. The only thing Light made Penbar do with the Note is look back and see him for the sake of gloating.

edited 30th Apr '17 12:00:51 PM by TheAirman

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#158: Apr 30th 2017 at 1:58:03 PM

One of the movies had Light make someone kill someone with the Note. I think the trick is that it counted due to the wording and having written both victims in the Note.

edited 30th Apr '17 2:06:01 PM by GethKnight

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#159: May 2nd 2017 at 5:34:49 PM

Sure, but in the strict sense, you can't make X kill Y by just writing X's name and then order them to do kill Y. And if you write Y's name too (as part of X's command) then, well, technically you're the one killing Y.

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#160: May 2nd 2017 at 5:40:38 PM

Ooo, yeah, definitely don't write a specific person's name for any reason. Especially if you're not trying to kill them. It never really comes up in the series, but absolutely do not write something like, "Bob Jenkins. Heart attack. Puts all his money into a bag and hands it off to Tobias Drake."

There aren't any specific rules about whether identifying specific people by name in the Death Note will somehow invalidate the instructions, but there is one rule in particular that seems especially relevant. It's a bit of an obscure one, so I'll understand if any of y'all haven't heard this one:

The human whose name is written in this note shall die.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#161: May 2nd 2017 at 8:49:02 PM

I think you have to write someone's full name for it to have an effect, though. If you wrote "leaves all his money to his cousin, Tobias", and you're the only cousin named Tobias he has, that should work.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#162: May 2nd 2017 at 9:25:19 PM

Didn't Light have someone do a task within the time period before death while testing what the Death Note can and cannot do?

edited 2nd May '17 9:25:37 PM by GethKnight

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#163: May 2nd 2017 at 9:50:23 PM

He had a guy in prison write. "Ooga booga booga L don't you know gods of death love apples" on a wall before killing himself.

edited 2nd May '17 9:50:36 PM by Soble

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#164: May 2nd 2017 at 9:54:52 PM

To put it plainly, you can control all of your targets actions. The one thing you cannot do, however, is command them to kill someone else.

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#165: May 3rd 2017 at 6:02:38 AM

Or something impossible to do, like travel to the other side of the planet while in prison.

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#166: May 4th 2017 at 12:31:54 AM

Light's a terrible person with the Death Note.

Light would be sort of equivalent to what would happen if Gandalf got the one ring. Someone who corrupts the very notion of being good.

I think there's a good argument to be made that he jumped off the slipper slope too quickly but there's something to be said about anyone being easily corrupted.

And to be fair, we saw how good of a person Light could be when he had amnesia.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#167: May 4th 2017 at 5:40:59 AM

Their world is just so goddamn boring. Hope it translates well for the Netflix movie.

I really hope they don't downplay the Shinigami in this film.

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#169: May 6th 2017 at 8:55:42 AM

[up] Yeah, I could defend them before, because it was a setting transplant, and there's no real reason to have the entire cast be Asian if it's set in the US, but this is idiotic. Also, isn't one of the leads still Asian? Clearly they found at least one guy.

But if that's their complaint, where the hell did they do the casting? Outer Mongolia? Were they refusing to look at people who weren't born in Asia?

I'm pretty sure that they didn't intend to cast all Asian anyway, and someone came up with a really bad excuse when asked. I might still watch it, but that is an idiotic thing to say.

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#170: May 6th 2017 at 9:00:52 AM

Wow. Wooooooooow. This just shot up from "I guess it sort of makes sense" to the single most racist whitewashing in recent memory.

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#171: May 7th 2017 at 4:28:52 PM

I can't find any other article using that exact quote.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#172: May 7th 2017 at 5:57:57 PM

The first thing that stood out to me is how Masi Oka is the one who apparently made those statements.

So now the American reboot of a Japanese series is now guilty of whitewashing, thanks to clumsy statements from the Japanese-American producer about how Asians weren't cast because of a supposed language barrier.

In the American remake. Whose explicit purpose was to recreate Death Note's plot in America with potentially greater ethnic/cultural diversity than the manga or the anime or the previous films ever had. And certainly riskier casting than the original films with the all-Japanese cast despite L not being Japanese at all.

Oh [lol] 2017.

It's not like this film didn't have enough going against it. Now it'll be "the white-washing anime adaption with the black male lead and Asian producers that couldn't cast Asians at all."

...the road to hell is paved with good intentions, indeed.

Meanwhile, a guy interviewed random Japanese people on the street about the new Death Note. Reactions are interestingly mixed.

EDIT: Although... [[]https://youtu.be/ZU8Ingn8w24?t=165 This]] is interesting too. I didn't see that in the above article.]]

Didn't see this before either. Now that... is on the casting director. That is pretty sh'tty.

edited 8th May '17 7:39:21 AM by Soble

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#173: May 8th 2017 at 7:49:39 AM

Edward Zo's rant from 2015.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#174: May 8th 2017 at 7:52:39 AM

[up]Please give some context and/or a summary of what the video is about; just providing a link is against forum rules, and it's courteous for people who can't open the link or don't want to click a link without knowing what it's about.

edited 8th May '17 7:52:56 AM by dragonfire5000

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#175: May 8th 2017 at 8:01:39 AM

Edward Zo provided a video rant back in 2015 about whitewashing in Hollywood during a particular instance where he auditioned for the role of Light in this very remake. The link is to an article that provides additional context around his argument.

That said, the video was more important. I don't exactly agree with his position about this film's casting based on what we currently know about the film's development and plot, but his argument and the greater issue surrounding it and other remakes like Ghost in the Shell and Avatar the Last Airbender was certainly compelling and well-laid out.

edited 8th May '17 8:16:46 AM by Soble

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