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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#451: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:37:47 PM

Which misunderstands something the original death note did. Light very quickly went from 'Well meaning, but has some uncomfortable ideas' to 'madman with a god complex' within about an episode which tells the audience early on that we're not supposed to sympathize with him and more be facinated and apalled by him.

Spend too much time watching the Protagonist Journey to Villain and we empathize/sympathize with them too much to really be as terrified as we should be of this power.

Luppercus ¿Que pasó que pasó vamos 'ay? from Halloweentown Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#452: Sep 5th 2017 at 7:57:41 PM

Alrgiht, here my thoughts: I might be nitpicking, but I don’t want to compare the movie to the anime (which I enjoyed) because I strongly believe that a work should be judge on its own merits. But:

Who thought that two nerds in a chase scene was gonna be good? I mean is like something you’ll take from a spoof movie with Leslie Nielsen. It’s one of the (unintentionally) funniest scenes I ever watch. The way how two clumsy awkward skinny guys chase each other is amazing how someone thought this would look badass. And is part of the problem of unsubtleness of the whole movie, I get that Light tries to make obstacles for L but the way how L stumbles with things it looks soo deliberate sometimes (like when he pushes a guy’s face into a plate) that you just need the laughing track.

Am I the only one who felt Nat Wolf looks too old for the role? I understand that Dawson Casting is a need but I don’t know, he looks like 30. When he says to the bully that if he hit him will be “child abuse”… I role my eyes. My suspension of disbelieve can only go so far.

How about to be more subtle? The guy who killed Light’s mother was only lacking the black cape and the mustache to be twisting. This is incredible lazy writing. How about to make a normally looking guy, that makes us as audience wonder why he did something like that, maybe play with the idea that murderers can look like anyone instead of having a cartoonishly evil walking cliché?

In any case, I think the big problem with the movie is passing. The movie is too short, it doesn’t really took time to develop the characters or the situations around them. Why is Mya so obsessed with killing criminals? Is she just nuts and get arouse with killing or she has a dark background? Also some of the plotholes could be solved. Some people have suggested that this should be a show or a mini series, and it’s true, but a longer movie could work too. I get that they get reluctant with theatrical releases to make them too long for all the problems that it has but this movie is for Netflix, if it get too long you can pause it and do something else.

edited 5th Sep '17 7:59:32 PM by Luppercus

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#453: Sep 7th 2017 at 12:34:10 PM

The more I think on it, the more I feel we should compare this movie to the original. Because at the end of the day, it is an adaption. The main reason most of us even care to look at it is because it's called Death Note. If it wants the pros of that, such as the attention, it should accept the cons as well.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#454: Sep 7th 2017 at 12:37:35 PM

What's interesting to me as a Light fan is that, in spite of Tobias' earlier statement about giving Light a huge set of Leather Pants, Light Turner will probably end up with far, far less support than Light Yagami.

They made him more sympathetic but nobody wanted that, not even Light fans. Light has a fanbase because he is charismatic, resolute and ruthless. He embodies everything you could really want in your dream potentate. (never used that word before. It's a cool one) Making him wishy-washy or having him pushed round by Ryuk or Misa ruins the illusion of authority and command that is really the foundation for his character and his character's appeal.

edited 7th Sep '17 12:41:17 PM by Nikkolas

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#455: Sep 7th 2017 at 3:03:00 PM

[up] Maybe has something to do with this been an Americanized version for American mentality. Yes, there are some examples of popular villain characters and Villain Protagonist movies but are very uncommon, especially in something directed towards young people. Black-and-White Morality is the norm still. This was always my complain about Dexter for example; when I heard about a show with a protagonist serial killer I was interested but then i realized it was a serial killer that killed other serial killers and I said; I knew they didn't dare going all the way, they had to make him a good guy somehow.

Of course later we have Hannibal which was a good series.

Point is, they indeed could go with Light as a Villain Protagonist prototype but probably thought it was too risky.

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#456: Sep 8th 2017 at 8:03:58 PM

So I just got through watching the movie with the friend. It was honestly kind of terrible. I couldn't really take the movie seriously because the movie's tone was all over the place, the awful acting from Nat Wolfe, and a lot of the contrived bullshit throughout.

Light was just terribly written. He didn't have the actual qualities of an effective villain protagonist, but he was so all over the place that he failed to be sympathetic. Ryuk was easily the best part. L, or rather L in the first half of the movie was pretry good. Honestly the actor was trying best with crap material. That last third was fucking atrocious.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#457: Sep 9th 2017 at 9:04:19 AM

This should have been a sequel. A lot of the problems would be addressed at least a little by it being a sequel. Set it a number of years after Light's death, Ryuk gets bored again, drops a Death Note in the US this time, and some new American kid (Lets call him William for now) picks it up. A lot of the problems can then be addressed:

-Film Light not being nearly as smart as manga/anime Light, well he's not Light. He's William. Maybe he's somewhat above average in terms of intelligence, but not the super-genius that Light was.

-Misa..I mean Mia being a completely different character, and in many ways more villainous. Well that's ok because it's not Misa, it's a completely new character.

-Make movie L a different character. I would say use older Near, but then again manga/anime Near would take movie Light down very quickly. So perhaps Near doesn't show up until closer to the end, and you have a different character (an American cop/PI) investigating most of it. And said cop/PI, while competent, isn't on the level of L or Near. And his different character traits become far more appropriate.

-The ridiculous explanation for the "Kira" moniker here. Well suddenly it makes more sense since it'd be a tribute to the original Kira.

-Ryuk being more overtly malevolent. Well he finds William and Mia to be less interesting than Light was, so he feels like he needs to be more "proactive" to keep the boredom away this time.

-Etc.

Also even the whitewashing becomes less of an issue since it's not an adaptation of a Japanese story. Instead, it's a follow-up set in the same universe, but mostly doing it's own thing with mostly new characters.

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#458: Sep 9th 2017 at 9:12:03 AM

In defense of the film, from one of youtube's most renowned anime analysts:

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#459: Sep 9th 2017 at 9:50:54 AM

Lets call him William for now

William Turner? Dude's already a death god. The last thing he needs is a tool to drum up more business on slow weeks.

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#460: Sep 9th 2017 at 1:50:19 PM

[up][up] I honestly felt that review was piss poor and more trying his hardest to defend something bad. Especially with reading into things not there, like saying Death Note 2017 is about American intervention.

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#461: Sep 9th 2017 at 3:53:49 PM

[up]x3

The Dom on youtube said almost exactly the same thing. Like... literally point for point what he said.

edited 9th Sep '17 3:54:29 PM by InkDagger

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#462: Sep 9th 2017 at 4:08:52 PM

He seriously thinks the Death Note having different rules will be the main thing fans hate about the movie? Really? Maybe it's Top 5 after:

1. Changing Light and 2. Changing the moral of the story and I dunno what 34 and 4 are but I'd still put them above the rules.

Also, i subscribe to the channel Destiny 'cuz he has interesting litle political chats sometimes. I didn't expect this, though.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#463: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:23:58 PM

Ink Dagger Huh? I didn't know that he reviewed anime/manga stuff? I'll have to check out his review (I love his work).

But yeah once you see the film, it really does become obvious. It's hard not to notice when pretty much EVERY problem with this film can be addressed with that one little change.

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#464: Sep 12th 2017 at 5:50:08 AM

People have bullied the film's director out off Twitter.

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RedRob Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#465: Sep 12th 2017 at 12:00:46 PM

Considering how much of an arrogant douche Wingard was acting like, I don't really give a damn he was run off twitter.

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#466: Sep 12th 2017 at 12:08:41 PM

Making a bad movie isn't a justification for being harassed.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#467: Sep 12th 2017 at 12:12:23 PM

Its still funny to me that Obata and Ohba complimented the film while others were so quick to hate on it.

And if you think a human being getting death threats and harassed every hour of every day for a movie he made is ok because they're arrogant, you're wrong.

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#468: Sep 12th 2017 at 12:58:07 PM

[up][up][up] Piss on that.

Guy stuck by the movie he made. How awful.

UltraWanker Since: Apr, 2016
#469: Sep 12th 2017 at 1:29:31 PM

His last tweet of his was about focusing on his next film. Additionally, this was after the heatwave was ending, unless he figured out mentioning them, aka feeding the trolls, only fanned the flames.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#470: Sep 12th 2017 at 2:43:42 PM

On August 26, Wingard posted a message online that read, “Sorry trolls but the artist always wins in the long run.” The actor followed up the post with another message, writing, “I love how many people feel personally attacked by this tweet. Its [sic] almost like troll bait. Those that bit expose themselves.”

The director posted other messages in regards to Death Note’s online critiques. Wingard wrote, “Film criticism is different than b*tching at filmmakers on twitter.” The director is right to differentiate film criticism from troll-induced hate, but the discordance between Wingard and the fans who’d hoped Death Note got it right was painful to see.

Film criticism is different than b*tching at filmmakers on twitter

No. It really isn't when filmmakers bitch about their audiences on Twitter.

The director is right to differentiate film criticism from troll-induced hate

Yes. Going "Wingard should kill himself" is a step too far. People get way too attached to their favorite franchises. It's disappointing that the film wasn't Death Note -proper- but it's still not okay to threaten the director.

edited 12th Sep '17 2:49:04 PM by Soble

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#471: Sep 12th 2017 at 2:53:11 PM

[up]Actually, film criticism is different than bitching at a filmmaker. One is pointing out flaws in a film. The other is attacking the person who made the film. The filmmaker complaining about audiences does nothing to change that difference.

edited 12th Sep '17 2:53:31 PM by dragonfire5000

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#472: Sep 12th 2017 at 3:09:24 PM

Criticism and b'tching aren't that different. Film criticism is just a nicer, lengthier way of b'tching about something.

edited 12th Sep '17 3:38:34 PM by Soble

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#473: Sep 12th 2017 at 3:47:42 PM

Criticism implies critical thought.

If I say "this ice cream sucks." that's not criticism.

If I say "this ice cream doesn't have enough milk, its just cold sugar." There's a level of thought and analysis there.

Niceness and length don't really come into it.

edited 12th Sep '17 3:48:08 PM by ArthurEld

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#474: Sep 13th 2017 at 2:36:08 AM

However, I would also point out that someone who is recieving criticism might precieve it as 'bitching'. I agree that threatening someone and personally attacking them is wrong, but it seems more that he took it to the extent of all criticism being bitching. The rather dismissive argument of 'haters going to hate' seems appropriate here.

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