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edited to add this information, since this is going to be a long clean-up

Donald Trump, as with any other current political figure, should not be a subject of any trope example on the wiki, except:

  • When the work in question specifically mentions the RL individual.
  • When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
  • When the work is fictional.

All three of these must apply.

Alternatively:

  • When the RL individual has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work. In this sense we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.

Additionally, please make sure to take out any examples of "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, Harsher in Hindsight, or Hilarious in Hindsight regarding these political figures. A political event that may be seen positively by some people may be seen negatively by others.

We're starting with the wicks to Donald Trump (There were 751 of them at the starting point of this count.)

Wicks have already been checked and cleared up to

2/14/17 Inherent in the System

Given the current political climate, talking about Donald Trump on this Wiki is a very sensitive topic and pretty much any comment on him could easily end up violating the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. I talked it over on Ask a Troper and a moderator gave me permission to start this topic. I feel it will be necessary to make sure any mention of him is safe and avoids politically charged or biased opinions. Right now, we need to stick to facts, not opinions.

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 27th 2024 at 12:49:26 PM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#651: Jul 8th 2020 at 5:08:40 PM

[up][up] I don't even think we allow hindsight examples about recent politics at all, do we?

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#652: Jul 9th 2020 at 12:09:35 AM

I guess we'll have to wait until a few more years for the "recent" feeling to wear off (or maybe until Trump inspires a new wave of villains for popular culture within 10 years). Nevertheless, the hindsight basis is still there with Stephen King himself comparing his character with Trump.

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#653: Jul 9th 2020 at 5:41:04 AM

Smash Ultimate "meme" has been removed, given the current state of affairs.

2025: the year it all ends?
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#654: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:32:31 PM

How's this example from Unfortunate Character Design? I think the basic example can stay (the resemblance to Trump is so memetic that apparently the game designers had to say it wasn't intentional), but the rest of the entry might be pushing it, especially the part about Stakataka because it really has nothing to do with Trump besides kind of looking like a wall (even though it's based on a tower).

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#655: Jul 17th 2020 at 6:33:50 AM

[up] Calling it "unfortunate" character design is the same as calling a moment Hilarious or Harsher. The opposite will be true to a Trump fanatic. Yank it imo.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#656: Jul 17th 2020 at 9:16:59 AM

EDIT: Not worth posting

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Jul 17th 2020 at 9:34:40 AM

ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#657: Jul 18th 2020 at 5:13:36 PM

Would Donald Trump's Juneteenth Tulsa Rally be a viable candidate for So Bad It's Horrible? I mean, from what I can recall even conservatives thought it was a real disaster.

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#658: Jul 18th 2020 at 6:37:56 PM

It's not really tied to a creative work, is it? I know SBIH covers a lot of big events but usually they're tied to something like advertising or music.

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#659: Jul 19th 2020 at 5:08:47 AM

Technically, a political campaign is a creative event since it is storytelling and usually also involves fiction. But I think that calling the Tulsa rally SBIH would certainly test the limits of ROCEJ. So probably better leave it out.

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#660: Jul 22nd 2020 at 10:29:43 AM

Safe to assume a page referring to the man as "Drumpf" should be changed since it's a meme based in Malicious Misnaming? (And it's pretty obtuse to those not in the know, too.)

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 22nd 2020 at 1:29:54 PM

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#661: Jul 22nd 2020 at 3:23:41 PM

[up]Most likely it was caused by a text replacement plugin.

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#662: Jul 23rd 2020 at 7:49:30 PM

[up][up],[up] Check the page history. An outright change to "Drumpf" is usually the plugin.

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Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
#663: Jul 27th 2020 at 7:29:32 AM

Found this on Dykes to Watch Out For:

  • Harsher in Hindsight / Hilarious in Hindsight: With the strip being very tied to the politics of the week, much of it can end up looking strange from future events.
    • A 1988 strip has Mo refusing to get out of bed "until the Electoral College is abolished and George Bush is impeached!" Bush Sr's son George W. Bush would have an even closer run-in with the Electoral College.
    • One '87 strip leading up to the group participating in a Pride March has them greeted by two cowboys, who they mistake for anti-queer bigots but discover are a couple, several years before Brokeback Mountain popularized the image of gay cowboys in the mainstream.
    • 1996: Some of the comments made by Sydney and Mo about Pat Buchanan (that he's a lunatic who has no chance of winning, that his unpredictability keeps the Republicans off-base, whether he's a populist or a racist, that he's riding a wave of white supremacist voters, that he'll sneak into the Presidency if he's not taken seriously and if Republican voters don't compromise and vote for [Bill] Clinton) sound eerily similar to future comments made about Donald Trump in 2016.

Trope Slashing aside, the third example is definitely wrong and deletion-worthy, but the other two also feel a bit weak. Should I nuke all three examples?

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#664: Jul 27th 2020 at 9:54:12 AM

The first is borderline; mentioning a Bush and the Electoral College in the eighties would normally be something in hindsight; however, the usual problem with political examples still applies.

The second is an obvious cut; gay cowboys were a thing and known to be a thing.

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#665: Jul 27th 2020 at 1:48:03 PM

Can a mod please fix the ROCEJ link in the OP? It still links to the main redirect which no longer exists.

[down] Thank you.[tup]

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Jul 27th 2020 at 2:23:37 AM

Limpin' with the bizkit.
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#666: Jul 27th 2020 at 2:07:45 PM

Done.

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#667: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:07:41 PM

Also I'm pretty sure the connections made between Buchanan and Trump are common criticisms of populists and/or Republicans in general, so I doubt it's even specifically Trump or he's just the only candidate people think has ever been controversial.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 27th 2020 at 8:07:40 AM

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fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#668: Jul 30th 2020 at 9:13:50 AM

This was just added to TheSociopath.Real Life:

  • Mary Trump has posthumously diagnosed her grandfather, Fred Trump, with extreme sociopathy that would make Hitler look like a bratty toddler. He had no empathy whatsoever; he didn't even pretend to show affection unless his children proved they could be sadistic and cruel. He worshiped money and his own self image, and would insult his own children for making good investments to his company because they cost him money. He derided his son Freddy for becoming an Ace Pilot until the latter became a drunk washout, while he pretended to praise his son Donald for becoming a lazy super-bully, refusing to acknowledge Donald's increasing vulgarity. All of this culminated in destroying the minds of Mary's father, Freddy Trump, and Donald Trump, who went on to become the 46th president of the United States.

Edited by fragglelover on Jul 30th 2020 at 12:15:08 PM

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#669: Jul 30th 2020 at 9:17:22 AM

Really? A pothole to President Evil? And why does an "I can't believe it's not a morality trope" page like The Sociopath allow real life examples?

But the real problem here is that Trump is the 45th president, not the 46th.

Edited by Serac on Jul 30th 2020 at 9:19:43 AM

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#670: Jul 30th 2020 at 10:05:27 AM

[up] [up] Unless Mary Trump is a psychiatrist, burn it.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 30th 2020 at 1:05:41 PM

ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#671: Jul 30th 2020 at 12:39:06 PM

[up][up][up] I believe real-life examples of The Sociopath should be limited to those who were professionally diagnosed.

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#672: Jul 30th 2020 at 1:09:16 PM

[up] Technically, that is the rule.

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#673: Jul 30th 2020 at 1:58:00 PM

We're discussing here to make it NRLEP in general.

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#674: Aug 5th 2020 at 12:09:12 PM

From The Leader:

  • World Leaders (based on their typical media personalities, YMMV).
    • President Donald Trump is headstrong and charismatic. He is capable of withstanding huge amounts of media pressure and is very skilled at getting people energized at rallies.
    • President Barack Obama was elected primarily based on his perceived charisma and later seen as more mastermind or levelheaded.
    • President George W. Bush was often viewed as a headstrong leader during his terms.
    • Bill Clinton is described by his fans as usually being the most charismatic person in a room, to the point where it's gotten him in trouble on numerous occasions, including multiple alleged adulterous affairs and accusations of rape.
    • Winston Churchill would count as headstrong/charismatic leader.
    • Dwight D. Eisenhower was generally a levelheaded and charismatic leader, with elements of mastermind as well.
    • Adolf Hitler's leadership of the Nazi Party and, later, of Germany was based almost entirely on his own massive quantities of personal charisma. His title — Fuhrer — even means "Leader".
      • Mussolini probably falls into the same category. Again, his title of Duce means "Leader".
  • Sports Captains
    • Wayne Gretzky was a charismatic, mastermind and levelheaded leader.
    • Mark Messier was either a headstrong leader or a charismatic leader.
    • Shaquille O'Neal was a charismatic leader.
    • Michael Jordan was a headstrong and charismatic leader.
    • Peyton Manning is a mastermind.
    • Tom Brady is a headstrong and charismatic leader.
    • Bill Russell was a mastermind and headstrong leader.
    • Ryan Callahan is a levelheaded leader.
    • Cappie Pondexter is a levelheaded leader.
    • Ray Lewis was a charismatic leader.
    • Kobe Bryant was a headstrong leader.
  • In the US military, every solder is trained to be a levelheaded leader, but the NCO's are this especially, since the best way to keep a unit alive is to make sure someone is always there to give commands, make on-the-spot judgments and keep everyone focused on the mission. In fact the chain of command is partially there to make sure a soldier knows who is in charge when the leader is wounded or killed.

Is any of this Kosher?

[down] I'll take that as a "no".

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 5th 2020 at 5:11:29 AM

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#675: Aug 5th 2020 at 12:48:01 PM

President Donald Trump is headstrong and charismatic. He is capable of withstanding huge amounts of media pressure and is very skilled at getting people energized at rallies

Well that's the first time I heard that. [lol]

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