Trump and ROCEJ

Cut both.

YMMV.The Little Mermaid II Return To The Sea

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • The idea of Ariel having a wall built between the land and sea especially becomes this trope with Donald Trump having a similar idea to keep the Mexicans out of America. Add to that the fact that Tara is pretty active in the Trump bashing, and the movie ends with Melody removing the wall so the two worlds could be connected again, and you got yourself an anti-Trump movie in hindsight.

I'm cutting.

Yeah, easy cut. If it's that blatant, you don't even need to mention it in this thread.

Blatancy isn't the only reason. The fact that it's an entry for Hilarious in Hindsight or Harsher in Hindsight is enough of a reason to cut, as mentioned in the stickied post above.

YMMV.End Of An Age was created to include all the stuff we cut from End of an Age for ROJEC. It's already on the cut list for misuse of namespace. Should whoever created it be PM'd about it?

Yes. We don't have YMMV pages for tropes period. No exceptions.

Found this in YMMV.A Giant Sucking Sound

Donald Trump becomes the 45th President, though he did serve as the Governor of New York in the alternate timeline, just like in real life could be this or a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment depending on your political views.

Should I cut or keep?

Edited by DarkPaladinX on Jan 27th 2019 at 5:28:14 AM

That would better be served for Life Imitates Art.

To be fair, this Alternate History work was written before Trump became president.

The note at the top of this thread says to delete any Hilarious in Hindsight examples involving Trump (or any other unintentionally predicted president).

I'm also against moving the example to Life Imitates Art since the guidelines also mention that the entire example must be about Trump's fictionalized depiction in the work, and this example also involves the Real Life version being elected.

I say move to Accidentally-Correct Writing.

There is a similar "correct prediction" entry regarding Trump on Accidentally-Correct Writing:

If the Simpsons example is fine then the A Giant Sucking Sound example should fit, too. Also the Governor of New York bit would also need to go as it isn't correct one way or the other, basically just Word Cruft. Proposed edit:

My interpretation of ACW is that it's accidentally being correct about the present or past, because accidentally correct future predictions seem like a different trope.

I'd remove the Trump examples from Accidentally-Correct Writing as well. The guidelines mention that the entirety of the example has to deal with Trump's fictional portrayal to be acceptable, and these examples also involve his election in real life, so they fail on that point.

Memetic Psychopath has these examples in the "Other" section despite the page disallowing real life examples. I'm not quite sure whether they qualify as passable, hence I'm posting them here:

Not cuttable under the Trump policy, but they're not exactly examples of the trope.

OOCIsSeriousBusiness.Real Life:

• As a sign that the #MeToo movement may have finally gotten to him, Donald Trump, who nominated Brett Kavanaugh and is known for, among other things, his not mincing words when unequivocally defending those accused of sexual misconduct, calmly insisted that Kavanaugh’s accuser, Professor Christine Blasey Ford, assist a complete and thorough investigation into allegations against Kavanaugh. Even his aides were taken aback by his unusually low-key response to the allegations against Kavanaugh. Turns out, that was just a ruse to catch the movement off guard. No more will be said.
• Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election, has tried to keep a low profile as much as he's been able to in the course of his investigation, and he's normally cautious enough to allow his targets to turn themselves in. So when he had an FBI platoon raid Roger Stone's house in Florida late at night and directly and immediately arrest him as though he was some sort of violent terrorist, it sent a clear message that at least one crime Stone has been charged with in an indictment—specifically, witness tampering—marked him as a dangerous individual by the standards of the investigation. This CNN editorial says it all.

Since those are ongoing issues, do they count?

Should O.O.C. Is Serious Business even allow real-life examples since it deals with characterization? Though the Subverted Trope pothole in the first example should be removed since tropes can't be subverted in real-life.

A Take That! example from The LEGO Movie 2: The Second Part

• When a crisis apparently strikes Bricksburg, President Business decides to go golfing instead of deal with it.

Yeah or nay?

The first has to go, but the second can stay with a rewrite (assuming the trope doesn't go NRLEP or Ban on Politics.)

Every President since Jimmy Carter has been accused of golfing instead of working. We're at Morton's Fork here. If it is a shot at Trump, it has to go because of the Trump policy. If it isn't a shot at Trump, it has to go because it's not an example of the trope. Cut it.

That examples definitely needs to go since Trump specifically isn't brought up at all in that scene.

What is the "Trump policy"? The mods have made it quite clear that there is no special policy for Trump and that this clean-up uses policies for all real persons. This effort is simply focused on a particularly flame baity politician at present.

We're just being more stringent on him than we are on other people due to his high potential for being used as Flame Bait. It's not a written rule.

Found this Wall of Text on TearJerker.The 1975, which references a large number of controversial topics. If it was just the song that was about controversial issues, it would be OK, but since it's on Tear Jerker, it sounds like opinions of the troper who wrote the example are also present to some degree.

I'm having a hard time understanding the example, but I read it as "this song deals with controversial issues, which is sad because I (the person who wrote the example) believe these are very serious and important issues in Real Life".

• 'Love It If We Made It' can be seen as a tearjerker too as it reflects the sad state of the modern world by referencing a lot of the shocking events in recent memory such as the death of Lil' Peep in November 2017 as well as the Opioid crisis in America (which is affecting many young and upcoming artists in the current day music business), the Trump's sexual assault allegations and the #Me Too! movement, the state of politically correctness gone mad in today's modern society, the racially motivated deaths of black men by law enforcement in America as well as the immigration crisis around the world among other topics even giving a quick reference to the Jonestown massacre in which members of the Peoples Temple were either unwillingly put to death or committed mass suicide in 1978 under the rule of it's pastor Jim Jones. The song has a very sad yet hopefully cry of 'Modernity has failed us but I'd love it if we made it.' which undoubtedly refers to the fact that we are looking at a new cold war scenario with tensions between Europe, America and Korea very tense due to the state of the recent Chemical attacks in the UK, Brexit, Trumps supposed ties with Russia, North Korea's access to nuclear arms among other things which means that one of these days count possibly be our last ones alive but we hope that we do pull through in the end and make it to see another day. The music video is a depressing highlight reel of what is wrong with the modern world but a hopeful one as it features a lot of the cast from the 'Too Time Too Time Too Time' video returning as well as promoting several charitable organisations at the end of the video too.

I vote cut.

Supergirl (2015) S4E14 "Stand and Deliver"

• Take That!: Lockwood abusing his government post for his own agenda is one to Trump's cabinet, many of whom are openly contemptuous of the missions of their departments they lead and seek to destroy or subvert them for their own ends.

Yeah or nay?

Edited by Eagal on Mar 3rd 2019 at 8:55:49 AM