My opinion on the Sky High (2005) is that Ship Tease doesn't overrule actually being in a canon relationship with a different character. A Fan-Preferred Couple can exist because the creator considered putting them together at first, or maybe they even were canon at a certain point, until the author ended up pairing them up with someone else and the audience didn't like the end result.
Though I do understand this is a slightly different case since we also have Word of God saying that they would've ended up together. I kind of wonder, though, was it the plan all along or did they only decide that afterwards? Since I think if the creators changed their minds afterwards, it would still count since there's disconnect within the actual work. Though the Ship Tease might imply it was the original plan.
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
You see this where I sit.
It's a weird grey area. And I don't even know where the word of God comes from. So I don't know what we should do.
Did we ever decide what to do with the Harry Potter entries?
Edited by Bullman on Jul 24th 2020 at 5:03:47 AM
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Honestly, the only source I could find for that was on the Sky High (2005) wiki, and the statement was pretty vague. And for the Harry Potter ones, I think it was just agreed to keep Harry/Draco and Lupin/Sirius. I suggested to also keep Neville/Luna because they do have different canon partners mentioned in outside material, but since it's not mentioned officially in the books, I wanted confirmation if it counts. And I think it was also said to move the Albus/Scorpius entry to the Theatre section.
I've also got some questions on these ones:
- Phineas and Ferb:
- Ferb and Gretchen has become popular with those who have a hard time overlooking the age gap between Ferb and Vanessa (but have an easy time overlooking the fact that Ferb and Gretchen have hardly interacted at all in the show itself). Yet the very second Monty is introduced as a love interest for Vanessa, Ferbnessa becomes more popular.
- There is also a sizable set of Doofenshmirtz/Linda shippers, to the point that it's a WMG that he is Phineas' father. Doesn't help that it's canon that they used to date.
So for the first one, while I'm fairly certain Ferbnessa is the most popular now, I wasn't really in the fandom earlier on, so I'm not sure whether Ferb/Gretchen was more popular than it at one point. It definitely has a fanbase, but idk. Though I do think it's accurate that once Montynessa became canon, Ferbnessa was the Fan-Preferred Couple until it became canon in Act Your Age. Though I'd like some confirmation on this. And even then, there's also the fact that the creators made it clear they wanted Ferb and Vanessa to hook up once Ferb was of age.
As for the second point, I'm not so sure if it actually overshadows the canon pairing of Linda/Lawrence, which has more fics on Ao 3 than Doof/Linda. And since Linda/Lawrence are literally the main characters' parents, they'll realistically end up in more fics than Doof/Linda, anyways, so I'm leaning towards cut. What do you guys think?
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
I think the second one can go, but I am not sure on the first one.
I cut the Harry Potter entries with the exception of Harry/Draco and Lupin/Sirius. I also kept Neville/Luna until I get more opinions on if they count. I also moved Albus/Scorpius to Theatre.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 24th 2020 at 9:05:13 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadThe entry for Resident Evil in the FanPreferredCouple.Video Games page is full of natter:
- Resident Evil
- Chris/Jill has been the series' most popular pairing ever since the original game's release, mainly because they were the player characters. Though their official status has them only being “partners” though this doesn’t stop fans and even people In-Universe assuming that Chris and Jill’s relationship is more than just comradeship. Some female characters like Excella and Jessica explicitly point out Chris’s seemly Single-Target Sexuality towards Jill despite his stoic claim that Jill is just his “partner”.
- Interestingly while Jill’s other love interest Carlos from RE3 is regarded as a Casanova Wannabe by fans, Chris’s Ho Yay with Arch-Enemy Wesker, Leon and Piers on the other hand is fully supported and encouraged among the fandom.
- Actually thanks to the Resident Evil 3 (Remake) fans have come around on Jill and Carlos thanks to the more developed Ship Tease they get in the remake causing plenty of new Fan Art of them together to be created. It also helps Carlos got a Adaptation Personality Change into a more likeable character and Jill is more Tsundere/Defrosting Ice Queen to him in this continuity.
- Capcom and a lot of fans like Leon/Ada due to whole Dating Catwoman appeal with RE4 and RE6 dialing Leon and Ada’s relationship up to near Official Couple status. However Leon/Claire shippers have stood their ground undaunted since RE2, citing that Ada is really All Take and No Give with Leon and that he should chosen his affectionate partner over a criminal Femme Fatale Spy who manipulates him constantly. Ironically the Resident Evil 2 (Remake) instead clearing things up for the fans, just conflicts the shipping even more as despite a HD cutscene of Ada kissing Leon, the new Ship Tease moments and ending between Claire and Leon were strong enough to add even more fuel to fire. Memetic Mutation got involved too with as Leon being with Claire is apparently the only way to further the “Redfield Bloodline” since Chris is seemly a Chaste Hero.
- Really Leon being Launcher of a Thousand Ships in every single piece of RE media that he appears in shows that he’s simply too attractive to be tied down to Ada alone so therefore this trope was bound to happen. See also Leon/Manuela, Leon/Ashley, Leon/Angela and Leon/Helena.
- Rebecca Chambers wasn't shipped with anyone, until the release of Resident Evil 0 which introduced the escaped convict, Billy Coen. The game ended with them going their separate ways, but still lead to lots of fan art
shipping them
together.
- Chris/Jill has been the series' most popular pairing ever since the original game's release, mainly because they were the player characters. Though their official status has them only being “partners” though this doesn’t stop fans and even people In-Universe assuming that Chris and Jill’s relationship is more than just comradeship. Some female characters like Excella and Jessica explicitly point out Chris’s seemly Single-Target Sexuality towards Jill despite his stoic claim that Jill is just his “partner”.
Now the pairings' popularity seems to be different in FFN and AO3, so other sources might be needed to properly establish the ranks.
For example, in AO3, the most popular ship for Chris is Chris/Leon -> Chris/Albert -> Chris/Jill, while in FFN, the trend is the exact opposite. For Leon, AO3 favours Leon/Ada to Leon/Claire, but again this is reversed in FFN.
Jill/Carlos and Leon/other girls can probably be removed, and I'm not sure about Rebecca/Billy.
Edited by Adept on Jul 28th 2020 at 11:03:09 PM
Wow that tree is all shorts of wack. It's seems to argue with itself several times. Yeah. I was never that big in the games fandom. I did an entry for the movies, but that was only after some research. So my suggestion. What pairings has the most on both sites combined? Or which site has the most fanfics for the games? If that doesn't work fan polls or fan art. But I am afraid I'm not going to be of much help.
Wait do Chris or Leon even have love interests or Ship Tease with anyone? I don't remember them having ones, but it's been a while since I have played the games.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 24th 2020 at 10:06:54 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI guess maybe the Word of God section can be removed from the Sky High entry in that case?
As for the Harry Potter ones, just take out any that crossover with the most popular ones.
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While the entry talking about it is definitely...all over the place, the info is accurate from what I know of the game is that him and Ada seem to have something going on and she does kiss him in both versions of Resident Evil 2, though Leon and Claire also have some Ship Tease, too, at least in the remake. Dunno about Chris, considering I don't know much about him and Jill beyond the first game where they don't interact as much. Sounds like there isn't anything as concrete as Leon has, though.
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Looking at Archive of Our Own, Rebecca/Billy does seem to be Rebecca's most popular pairing, but it doesn't sounds like there's any other potential Love Interest to interfere in the first place, so I'm tempted to say cut, but my knowledge of the series isn't great.
Edited by Oshawott337 on Jul 24th 2020 at 8:54:37 AM
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."I've deleted all the third bullet entries in the RE section because they're natter and definitely don't qualify.
As for the other ships' statistics: AO3:
- Leon S. Kennedy/Chris Redfield (439)
- Piers Nivans/Chris Redfield (437)
- Chris Redfield/Albert Wesker (367)
- Leon S. Kennedy/Ada Wong (329)
- Leon S. Kennedy/Claire Redfield (281)
- Chris Redfield/Jill Valentine (232)
FFN:
- Chris Redfield/Jill Valentine (922)
- Leon S. Kennedy/Claire Redfield (812)
- Chris Redfield/Albert Wesker (656)
- Leon S. Kennedy/Ada Wong (634)
- Piers Nivans/Chris Redfield (428)
- Leon S. Kennedy/Chris Redfield (395)
Now, of course, the FFN tags may not be as accurate since I just filtered the names of each pair, and there's a chance that several of the fics listed within that search aren't actually shipping the characters in question (the pairing checkbox doesn't really help, and since it's a relatively new function, it would unnecessarily limit the search result).
Honestly, I'm thinking of just chainsawing the whole thing since AFAIK, the games doesn't actually have any Official Couple, but Leon especially has Ship Tease with every relevant female characters he comes across.
Edited by Adept on Jul 25th 2020 at 2:06:11 AM
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Probably for the best.
Anyone have any opinions on the Phineas and Ferb ones?
Edited by Oshawott337 on Jul 25th 2020 at 2:02:40 AM
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
The second can definitely go. I'm leaning towards cutting the Ferb one as well.
We are applying the rule that a Fan-Preferred Couple must be in competition with a "creator preferred couple", but this rule is not actually stated anywhere in the trope description, which only emphasizes that the couple is popular and not canon. Should I go to the description improvement drive to fix this?
Edited by TheMountainKing on Jul 25th 2020 at 5:07:05 AM
Yes. I think that would be a good idea.
Now one I found on Live-Action Films:
- There isn't much fanfiction for John Tucker Must Die but 60% are Kate/Beth and probably 39% are Kate/John with Scott being ignored.
Now I have watched this film. And looking at FanFiction.Net (There's none at Archive of Our Own) it's not technically wrong. However seeing as most of the shipping talk I can find about the film is Kate/Beth and even the entry says it's more popular. Does anyone mind if I give this one a rewrite?
Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2020 at 4:30:23 AM
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Makes sense.
From the Film section page:
- While fans have enjoyed going into the various alternate pairing ideas for The Breakfast Club, Bender/Allison is clearly the most popular. Due to how both Bender and Allison are quite the outcasts, Bender/Allison fanfics have a known tendency to give them a Birds of a Feather dynamic. Though to be fair Bender's line to Allison early in the movie "I've seen you before you know" has been occasionally used as Fanfic Fuel.
Nothing wrong with this entry. That said, which is the more popular alternate pairing with Claire then in that case? Andrew or Brian?
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 25th 2020 at 5:39:41 AM
I can't say. I have never seen The Breakfast Club.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2020 at 7:48:56 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadHere are those entries from Live Action TV. I believe I myself wrote the last two AND I think two of these are or were always meant to become canon:
- Stranger Things:
- Hopper and Joyce is treated as the One True Pairing, both in and out of universe as they clearly have some Unresolved Sexual Tension going back to their high school days and Hopper and Joyce still get together to smoke in the first two seasons. There's also the fact Hopper is the Papa Wolf and Joyce the Mama Bear for the main kids and generally are much more competent at partnering than every other adult, and many characters even comment on their chemistry, if not mistake them for a couple. Bob, Joyce's boyfriend in Season 2, was Doomed by Canon for getting in the way of the pairing. In Season 3, they were about to go on a date, only for it to get dashed by Hopper performing a Heroic Sacrifice to lock the gate, but the Season 4 trailer confirms that he survived.
- Zigzagged with Nancy, Steve and Jonathan. Throughout the first season, fans were inclined to prefer Nancy with Jonathan rather than her jerky boyfriend Steve and were upset that Nancy stayed with Steve in the season finale. Then in the second season, Nancy's relationship with Steve disintegrates and she finally hooks up with Jonathan. Steve, having taken more than a few levels in kindness, treats it as I Want My Beloved To Happy, which ironically caused a group of fans to believe Nancy should've given Steve a second chance and Steve befriending and helping the kids well helped matters.
- A number of fans find Mike and his Puppy Love obsession with Eleven more than a little annoying and actually wish Eleven could paired with one of the other kids like Lucas (who gives her the Bridal Carry) or Max since it's shown they were getting close in Season 3. Eleven also has moments with Eight her Foil and Evil Counterpart.
- There are those in support of Madwheeler (Mike/Max) ending up together because of their fighting about El strongly coming off as Belligerent Sexual Tension.
- Steve/Robin supporters, even with the reveal that the latter is gay, hope that it will then be revealed that she is actually bisexual so they can still be together after all.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 25th 2020 at 6:43:41 AM
I can attest that Ferbnessa was the FPC to Montnessa, but Ferbnessa actually ends up canon in the flash-forward episode. Haven't heard of Ferb/Gretchen in years but it was pretty popular on Deviantart, though IDK if it's more popular than Ferbnessa.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.You know, I don't want to keep coming in here and complaining, but... why exactly is this the case in the first place? It seems like it's just making things more difficult for no real reason.
Because then people will just load the trope up with what ever they want. Plus it says fan preferred in the title of the trope. So if there is nothing the creator prefers we are just listing popular ships.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2020 at 12:40:00 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI think the idea here is that this is, well, "fan preferred". So it's what the fans wanted- and that implies it has to go against what the creators wanted. Otherwise, it's just "Popular pairings", regardless of if they were intended to be shipped or not. Then it's not really "Fan Preferred" since there'd be no need to distinguish it.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallThe couples listed in FanPreferredCouple.Final Fantasy seems to just be "this ship is popular", with the exception of FF VI and XV. I'm thinking of just cutting the subpage and moving the relevant examples to the FanPreferredCouple.Video Games. Thoughts?
Edited by Adept on Jul 26th 2020 at 2:19:43 AM

Anymore opinions on the Sky High entry future braught up on the previous page?
Edited by Bullman on Jul 24th 2020 at 2:27:08 PM
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