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Deadlock Clock: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:59:00 PM
Jan 21st 2017 at 5:21:05 AM

Neither the title, page description, or even the rules section supports what people in this thread say it is. There's nothing in there saying this has involve half the official couple.

edited 21st Jan '17 5:23:51 AM by captainpat

Adept from A city of Microbes Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Jan 21st 2017 at 5:53:40 AM

@24: The fact that we have so many misuse should indicate that it's not as clear as you're making it out to be, either.

The definition of the trope is mostly delivered in the hidden folder. The description begins with what is pretty much an Example As Thesis, which is probably not a good idea, and as I pointed out in @10, the write-up of the main text is quite muddled and seemingly contradict itself.

Also, another question that needs to be sorted out is how big of a fandom does the FPC need to have against the Official Couple following in order for it to qualify? As mentioned in the Trope Talk thread, the popularity of these sort of things fluctuate from fandom-to-fandom and site-to-site.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jan 21st 2017 at 5:56:20 AM

We don't have enough manpower to determine the popularity of each relationship. That's why we have the YMMV banner.

Anyhow, the point of this audience reaction is that a couple that does not exist in canon - typically because of incompatible official couples - is preferred in a fandom.

The folder needs to be ditched and the information on what FPC is put in the first line. Something like So Bad, It's Horrible may help.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jan 21st 2017 at 6:36:15 AM

Ok then. How about we just reduce the description to a definition, rules and related tropes and not worry about examples so long as the context written fits this trope and its rules.

Jan 21st 2017 at 6:44:49 AM

I would disagree with that, the trope is well defined 'Common Fanon Ship That Conflicts With The Official Couple'.

Removing basically everything in that just makes it not a trope in any possible way. If you want you could YKTTW a Fanon Ship supertrope but gd that would be such a huge trope good luck...

edited 21st Jan '17 6:46:02 AM by Memers

Jan 21st 2017 at 9:16:26 AM

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This isn't a trope and I'm not sure what you're getting at because I'm saying make that definition more clearer in the description.

Adept from A city of Microbes Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Feb 2nd 2017 at 11:11:49 PM

We have a new cleanup thread opened here, by the way.

Feb 3rd 2017 at 1:36:14 AM

Umm that is way premature considering we were still debating on things...

[up][up] It is a trope, a YMMV trope like all the other shipping tropes.

What about this

I mean when you look at the fall out from things like Oreimo canon ending and how to this day fans will get violent over the winner instead of the fan favorite, it is a thing. When it comes to harems and such there is always someone labeled 'best girl' in the work and it's rarely the winner if there even is one.

edited 3rd Feb '17 1:51:19 AM by Memers

Feb 3rd 2017 at 12:05:08 PM

Is this the main thread for the discussion?

I've been wondering a game series where basically anyone can be paired by the player with no set canon, how does one determine a Canon Couple? Like say Fire Emblem Fates, which has its own page, what determines a Fan-Preferred Couple there?

Almost everyone can be paired with anyone in Fire Emblem Fates, and there is no canon couple. As such, I ask can Fan-Preferred Couple apply there?

Feb 3rd 2017 at 1:18:56 PM

[up] As Fan-Preferred Couple (for now) is "couples that intersect with the Official Couple but is not used in the series" then that game has no Fan-Preferred Couple.

Yup, contents are gonna be slaughtered.

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Feb 3rd 2017 at 1:47:02 PM

I think Scarlet and Ryoma is the only example that could count there because unlike the others it is entirely not possible to pair them ingame.

Adept from A city of Microbes Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Feb 4th 2017 at 1:43:54 AM

@33: I don't really think that first definition would realistically work as a wiki page here, though.

I mean, if a Harem Genre or Dating Sim has no Official Couple, but one Love Interest is far more popular than the other options, despite having the same amount of Ship Tease, I can sort of see a merit of documenting that fact. On paper, that is. The Trope Talk discussion have mentioned how it's pretty much impossible to determine if one really is significantly more popular than the other (see also @28).

Given the nature of Shipping Goggles, where any sort of interaction can be seen as romantic subtext, the phenomenon of "fans making up ships where there isn't any" really isn't tropeworthy, unless as noted in this page, it goes against the established canon pairing.

[up]That example you mention would only count if the following of that couple is higher than the pairings that are canonically possible to pair. Otherwise, it's just Crack Pairing or Ships That Pass in the Night (depending on their level of interaction).

edited 4th Feb '17 1:45:44 AM by Adept

Feb 4th 2017 at 1:53:20 AM

There are almost always character polls on the subject everywhere and well when you look at ff.net and such they usually sort by pairings and some pairing has the bulk of the entries.

But I don't see how that is any different from Die for Our Ship Draco in Leather Pants and Ensemble Darkhorse.

edited 4th Feb '17 1:58:10 AM by Memers

Feb 4th 2017 at 1:20:41 PM

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I think its the most popular ship for Scarlet, she can only be paired with the player's avatar for reference.

I don't know about Ryomoa, that page alone lists several pairings for Ryoma which it claims are most popular.

Also I gave context to the Golion example mentioned by the TC.

edited 4th Feb '17 1:21:29 PM by Monsund

IniuriaTalis Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Feb 4th 2017 at 7:40:13 PM

If the important part is that it's more popular than the official couple, then could there be multiple fan-preferred couples? Or what about instances like Fruits Basket, where Yuki/Tohru and Kyo/Yuki are both less popular than official couple Kyo/Tohru, but more popular than the other official couple Yuki/Machi?

Feb 4th 2017 at 11:33:49 PM

There's a page for awakening now.

Previously only Basilio and Flavio were listed with the reasoning fans vastly prefer them with eachother over their only canon pairings with the male and female avatar respectively.

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Mar 5th 2017 at 1:01:19 AM

Clock is set.

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Mar 8th 2017 at 1:07:00 AM

Cleanup the misused examples and clarify the description. I don't think it can be renamed without encouraging some other form of misuse.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Mar 10th 2017 at 7:50:13 AM

Not enough progress; locking.

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