Castlevania (Netflix series)

Napoleon was already a prominent military officer in 1792 given charge of his own Batallion. If anything Emmanuel should know and be more wary of him than Ritcher.

As Napoleon was pro revolution and reprimanded for leading a riot against French troops early on.

Napoleon didn't just sneak into the Revolution he already had a lot of power and was bidding his time

Just like I said alot in common with the American Revolution. There were women and even black men that supported and fought in the revolution.

Didn't help that all the voting rights went to white land owning men and slavery was still a thing till the country had to go through a civil war.

Like how France just reinstated slavery by the time Napoleon came into power and put Haiti in a massive debt that damaged the country to this day.

Edited by FKJ10 on Oct 26th 2023 at 1:23:13 AM

What you said was that she shouldn't support it. A statement that ignores the many good reasons for her to do so.

Cause Maria in the show is characterized as a wise beyond her years Lisa Simpsons type. She should really know the third estate don't have her best interests in mind.

While only preach that liberty portion for themselves just by their voting system in the national assembly.

Which had several versions from 1789-1792.

Plus the idea of using hindsight to frame her decisions as bad only lends the argument that you shouldn't make any sort of changes or do anything because it might turn out bad.

Which all actions have consequences, good or bad that you can't control, doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

Again this all happened before 1793 where the reign of Robspierre was blatantly horrendous.

Yes and this happened after the aristocracy turned the country into a toilet.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either stay in the terrible status quo or take a chance and see where the guys who want to enact changes go. It's not like it can't be any worse than what the country already is.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 26th 2023 at 1:44:44 AM

The problem with this argument is that it's wrong.

What exactly is the alternative? The Royalists winning sure as hell wouldn't result in women's rights or an expanded franchise. The Revolution was a major step forward for France that represented the only chance that they realistically had to empower the masses.

She has every reason to support it and this weird insistence otherwise just misses the forests for the trees. The third estate doesn't need to be some bastion of democratic progressivism for it to be a better choice then the alternative.

Honestly, it's hard to presume we'll even have a Revolution (or at least, how it happened in history); the first Netflixvania wasn't shy about altering the history a bit (although that might have been accidental on their part), since Catholics would not be in control of Wallachia in 1476 and Carmilla's maps reveal that the geopolitical situation is different from how it went in reality; here, the whole "eclipse and vampires running amok" thing might take precedence over the ongoing kerfuffle between mortals.

On the other hand, a lot of attention was given to the Haitian uprising (if only to showcase Annette's backstory), so maybe it won't just be a backdrop to the main story of "anime person kills vampires with whip".

I DO see the writers pulling an In Spite of a Nail situation in regards to the revolution if they want.

But with the vampires in the nobility and eclipse of the sun, it would be weird to have history progress exactly as it did IRL.

I will note that we did have a Revolution, the show is set in 1792 shortly after the establishment of the First Republic.

That said you're right that history clearly isn't set in stone. For one thing we can say with certainty there probably wasn't literal vampires in France in the show's time period :V

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 27th 2023 at 1:16:25 AM

Man, the 1970s were even wilder than I thought...

Hell of a typo.

"She has every reason to support it and this weird insistence otherwise just misses the forests for the trees. The third estate doesn't need to be some bastion of democratic progressivism for it to be a better choice then the alternative. "

Granted Maria does come at times as "the revolution is great will defeat all the bad guys and do great" with kinda a lot of naivity. Like near the end she said something about how the revolution will destroy all the church and she kinda sound like a beliver in a really ironic twist. You can said Maria is emmanuel daughter.

No the first funny typo spartan have done

Tbf things didn't get really bad till the reign of terror and Robespierre. Who ironically came to power in trying to reign in the violence only to increase it. In the early days their was as much bigger sense of optimism.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 27th 2023 at 12:06:50 PM

Lmao, my brain somehow switched the numbers around. I blame the residual influence of my dyslexia

Well yes, she's a literal child and zealous revolutionary leader. Both categories tend to be idealistic, combine them and you maximize the naivete

Finally watched the new season. I'm sure people discussed this before, but my big question coming out of this is, what is Richter's emotional arc going to be for the rest of the show? It seems like his big internal conflict with magic has been resolved this season, so outside a showdown with Olrox I'm not sure what else he's going to do. A romance with Annette, maybe?

Romance with Annette I think is basically guaranteed, not sure what else beyond that.

Also how much he can stomach working with Olrox in the future.

A random observation while the series is still fresh: is it just me or is there a lot of water imagery around Richter? His mom dies and his life falls apart in a port and he sails across the ocean immediately after, his new adopted home has that stream, and his talk with Juste and reawakening of his magic happen by a lake. Hell, even the very first shot of the show is water (the fireworks in Boston seen from below the water's surface).

Well his most iconic attack from the games is called Hydro Storm so it’s probably an allusion and build up to that.

What reign of Robespierre? He was never a sovereign ruler. He was a member of comitee which, while it did have quite a bit of power, wasn't the highest power in post revolution France.

And, in my opinion, if Robespierre's council was sought after more often, the Reign of Terror would be only about half as brutal as it actually was.

Most of Robespierre's brutality was attributed to him after his execution, by people who commited those brutalities.

He was still in charge of the Committee of Public Safety and had a shitload of influence.

And yeah, I brought that up with Maria too; she was the best and worst parts of the Revolution rolled into one.

A member of the Committee of Public safety. He wasn't in charge of it, merely a most well regarded person on it. And, while he did have a lot of power, he was heavily outvoted on a number of most important issues. He was against the execution of the queen, for example.

Robspierre is a controversial figure for a lot of reasons and one can make legitimate grievances that he was slandered and just Properly Paranoid about attempts to overthrow the French Revolution before reversing things like abolishing slavery. However, there's also the fact that he did flat out direct The Purge against his other people and arguably brought about a self-fulfilling prophecy with Napoleon.

Make me wonder how emmanuel found the book really, probably he stolen from some catholic church or something like that