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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#176: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:23:44 PM

They really didn't. Not any more differently than Ken plays from Ryu prior to V, anyway. We really don't need clones in a game when each side has so many choices.

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#177: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:34:44 PM

The FE comparison makes little sense anyway. Marth, Lucina, and Roy play similar. The other 3 characters are completely different. It's like having Ryu, Ken, Akuma(who all share the same style with slight variation, Akuma being the most varied), Chun Li, Dhalsim, and E. Honda as the Street Fighter selection.

As for Ryu having two more different styles, that's only if they plan to have a ton of SF characters in with unique playstyles. And also have a limited roster to a fairly severe degree. It's pretty easy to throw in Akuma separately otherwise. Likewise, I wouldn't mind if they did more alternate transformations like Ryu's for other clones if it fits. Shadow Lady, Mecha Zangief, Lilith... it'd mostly give neat options while not making the roster too huge. I only worry about balance.

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#178: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:37:27 PM

True balance is the key which I think Mv C 3 didn't do so well in.

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#179: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:38:00 PM

Also, "sword" is more than just Fire Emblem in Smash, but anyway two Spider characters should be fine.

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#180: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:42:13 PM

Developer talk.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#181: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:42:33 PM

Seriously, Marth has clones in Lucina and Roy but Ike, Robin, and Corrin play nothing alike from him or each other. And Link and Shulk are totally different animals.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#182: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:44:20 PM

In Mv C 3, Capcom included both Ryu and Akuma, but made them as distinct as possible. They also included both Wolverine and X-23 with distinct movesets. If they choose to include both Spider-Peter and Spider-Gwen, I can imagine them doing the same.

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#183: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:49:37 PM

I feel like this would have been a great opportunity to bring in MvC1 style assists. I dunno, just something to liven it up and let obscure picks squeak in.

Although I suppose, eventually, we'd figure out the Colossus/Psylocke of the bunch and exclusively pick them.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#184: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:51:25 PM

Given enough creativity, any character can be made completely unique. My point with Spider-Gwen was more that it was very non-obvious than completely unfeasible. If they can squeeze her in in a way that differentiates her sufficiently from Spidey then I'm up for it.

[up] They've noted they didn't want assists specifically because several characters tended to be valued more for their assists than for their movesets. They really want a game where the entire roster can be viable.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:54:00 PM by Watchtower

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#185: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:01:26 PM

[up] What they meant was characters who were purely assists like in the first game.

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Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#186: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:16:42 PM

Yeah that. MvC1 had super obscure characters like Lou and Devilotte. It was a cool way to cameo the characters who would never get a shot. It's the only way we'd see Breath of Fire's Ryu, anyway.

Gotta be honest, the lack of assists at all feels crippling. If they did like Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, where it's 2v2 and every character has one assist, I think they could maintain the balance. Having someone jump in with a quick attack instead of having Haggar or Doom with broken assists I get removing, because it turns matches into rounds of bouncing around trying to get away from them, but it's disappointing nonetheless that they threw the baby out with the bathwater.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#187: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:21:23 PM

If they really wanted another Spider character with a different move set. Why not include Miles Morales. He has all of Peter's powers plus Venom Shock and camouflage. They call also make a joke about him vs Chun Li seeing as he stole her super move once. tongue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-32-qshz33I

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#188: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:25:50 PM

[up] What about Venom? I like Miles enough, but Venom has the history with the franchise.

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#189: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:30:20 PM

[up]Oh I meant other spider heroes. Venom could easily come back. They already have a moveset for him

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#190: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:36:56 PM

If you want two non-symbiotie Spider guys, Miles would have the most unique power set...but a very similar name and costume vs. Spider-Gwen or Silk. There's Spider-Woman too (Jessica Drew, not Julia Carpenter) whom would probably be the most unique move wise.

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#191: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:44:16 PM

Venom wasn't that similar to Spidey in previous games.

Anyway, Spider-Gwen could easily Plat very differently from Peter, Miles more so, since he has powers Peter doesn't.

Though on the Spidey villain fron5 i'm hoping Doc Ock or Green Goblin make the cut.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#192: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:56:10 PM

What they meant was characters who were purely assists like in the first game.

In the Marvel Vs. Capcom competitive scene, you tend to see a core roster of characters that recur, and many other characters that are left by the wayside. In the game’s early life, some characters were chosen purely for their assist abilities, acting less like actual characters and more like tools. Capcom’s goal with Infinity Stones is for them to work like those throwaway assist characters, making up for the deficiencies of a particular team, enhancing its strong points, and acting a sort of comeback enabler. A Marvel Vs. Capcom game with a balanced roster still sounds like a tall order, but Infinity Stones will hopefully make that task easier.

I took this to mean they didn't want characters like Captain Commando, characters that were generally considered to suck but had assists good enough to warrant picking them anyway.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#193: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:56:49 PM

And if they went with say, Agent Venom, he'd be even more dissimilar to Peter. Though given that they've finally made Venom a bad guy again in the comics, my guess is we could see classic evil Venom in Infinite since Capcom wanted him in MVC 3 and Marvel said no.

UltimateLazer Since: Apr, 2016
#194: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:58:52 PM

But it's not Spider-Gwen if it's true. Gwenpool would basically confirm no Deadpool, and I'm sure fans will hate it.

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#195: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:10:37 PM

[up][up]My whole thing is if Spidey gets an additional rep who isn't the symbiotes, as they have a life of their own in the previous games. So two non-symbiotes, and Venom.

edited 4th Dec '16 3:11:01 PM by Beatman1

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#197: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:18:29 PM

Depending on the number of characters, I'd imagine Venom and Spider-Gwen are the more likely candidates. Venom because he is legit Spider-Man's most popular villain and Spider-Gwen because she's arguably received the most Wolverine Publicity of any of the spinoff characters in the comics lately.

I actually do think Deadpool and Doom will both make the cut, even if the rumors are true. Deadpool is just that much of a money maker.

Hardest part is guessing how many characters will actually be in the vanilla game though. Especially given how Capcom handled Street Fighter V. If I had to make a guess, I'd probably go 15-18 reps from each camp, not counting DLC. For the base game my predictions are:

Marvel: Ant Man, Black Widow, Black Panther, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Dr. Strange, Groot, Hawkeye, Hulk, Iron Man, Rocket Raccoon, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Thor, Vision

And then there will be DLC packs "themed" around certain types of characters. Defenders (Luke Cage, Iron Fist), Fox (Wolverine, Deadpool, Dr. Doom), Spider-Man (Venom, Spider-Gwen).

edited 4th Dec '16 3:26:35 PM by Lionheart0

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#198: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:25:04 PM

Marvel has also been pushing Miles pretty hard (the whole reason the new Secret Wars happened was basically to get him into the 616-verse) so I think he's got the edge over Gwen. He also has a stinger ability that Peter lacks that I can see being useful.

Silk isn't so likely, as Marvel pushing her happened is in spite of fan reception (though she was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap) in contrast to Spider-Gwen who was an Ensemble Dark Horse from the getgo.

edited 4th Dec '16 3:27:56 PM by AlleyOop

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#199: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:34:51 PM

Man, a Donald Glover voiced Miles Morales would make up for Jon not being in the game for me.

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#200: Dec 4th 2016 at 3:59:36 PM

What do you guys think of Original Generation characters make an appearance? Like Ruby Heart, Son Son and Amigo in mvc2?

edited 4th Dec '16 4:00:05 PM by CountofBleck


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