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Oct 16th 2018 at 10:59:13 PM

Zoro would be a cool-ass guest character in Soul Caliber, though.

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 1:35:52 PM

EventHubs posted a couple MVC related articles the past couple of days...

  • First, a poll asking fans what they'd like to see brought back from the previous games if MVC4 is happening, with the final results basically being "We want to see 3-vs-3 teams from MVC2 and 3 back, but also keep the Active Tag and Infinity Stone mechanics from Infinite."
  • Second, an Avengers 4 set photo just popped up on Instagram, and it shows a prop that resembles Iron Man's Proton Cannon. One of the EventHubs writers speculates that said prop could be further evidence of Marvel vs. Capcom 4 happening for the purposes of Avengers 4 cross promotion.

Edited by Chris on Oct 22nd 2018 at 1:36:18 AM

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 2:22:53 PM

I hope the update exists. Infinite deserves a second chance.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Oct 22nd 2018 at 5:23:22 AM

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 2:44:46 PM

[up][up] They did the same with Street Fighter V, and it was mostly successful. Unless Marvel isn't interested (which they might not be, but then again, Avengers 4 cross promotion), there's no reason for Capcom to not do the same with Infinite

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 3:12:20 PM

They tried to promote the MCU with Infinite. You know the result. D'you really think people will give Marvel the benefit of doubt after that?

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Chris Tenacious D time! from Deth Starr
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Oct 22nd 2018 at 3:14:52 PM

[up] They will if they show that they and Capcom have fixed the issues that turned people off from Infinite.

Edited by Chris on Oct 22nd 2018 at 3:17:04 AM

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 3:20:18 PM

Arcade Edition wasn't really that much of a success outside the core audience. It didn't move more than a 100k units 3 months after release.

It seems successful to us because everyone was happy about it, but it didn't make much money, and I'm not sure if Marvel would be happy about a property of theirs just pleasing a small core audience.

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 3:27:28 PM

Honestly, given Marvel's influence on the game such as the roster demands, demanding the music be redone and allegedly insisting on the realistic artstyle, I don't think it's worth it to work with them again. They're better off doing something like Capcom All Stars that uses gameplay elements from Infinite. And don't bring up Capcom Fighting Jam. A Capcom All Stars fighter with an actual budget is going to be 0% affected by a rush job with no budget released and forgotten during the dark age of fighting games.

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 5:51:10 PM

Street Fighter V has been a slow burn since its release. Arcade Edition didn't improve sales so much as it improved the game's image.

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 7:34:03 PM

[up][up] This. Maximillian himself said in a video that Infinite's failure was enough to burn bridges between Marvel and Capcom.

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 9:27:20 PM

They tried to promote the MCU with Infinite. You know the result. D'you really think people will give Marvel the benefit of doubt after that?

Absolutely. Gamers are fickle. The thing that needs to be remembered here is a bunch of people wanted Infinite to be good. MVC is a beloved series and a bunch of people were hyped as fuck when it was announced a new game was finally coming out, which is why what we eventually got was so disappointing. A good entry in the series would absolutely still have an audience.

Hell, as much as people are complaining about "They wanted to promote the MCU!" and "They had too much input!," Spider-Man PS4 set the sales charts on fire and won mass acclaim. There's a market there waiting for something that's not a half-assed cash grab.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 22nd 2018 at 9:33:45 AM

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 11:23:18 PM

As far as I know, the new Spider-Man game wasn't promoting anything for Marvel's MCU. Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite was, and it was doing it right on a game entry everyone was waiting for. This very promotion made Marvel steal the spotlight from Capcom like a kleptomaniac. X and Zero, who were supposed to be central characters in a story where one of the main villains is his biggest enemy, were shafted so Marvel characters could shine more. Hell, I could milk this and name the came MCU Vs. Capcom: Infinite Spotlight Stealing.

It was not just "mahvel" going to extremes; it was outright blatant MCU propaganda. The backlash was to be expected. But at this point, I guess I am just repeating the same stuff ad nauseum.

As much as people want a new Marvel Vs. Capcom to happen, the truth is that the chances of this actually happening are even lower than they were for Infinite. Wishful thinking will not make things come true. I know that, and everyone should know that as well.

Note: As for Combofiend being with Marvel now? The two deserved each other after he managed to completely ruin Capcom's PR for the game.

EDIT: "Delirium" may be too strong a word.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Oct 23rd 2018 at 5:12:17 PM

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Oct 22nd 2018 at 11:37:09 PM

As far as I know, the new Spider-Man game wasn't promoting anything for Marvel's MCU.

Those same restrictions about not including references to properties whose movie rights were at Fox were in full effect. Hence why areas like Avengers Tower, the Wakandan Embassy, and Doctor Strange's sanctuary were included as landmarks, but not stuff like the Baxter Building or anything that might reference mutants or the X-Men. Just about every production made until relatively recently had those restrictions on them.

This very promotion made Marvel steal the spotlight from Capcom like a kleptomaniac. X and Zero, who were supposed to be central characters in a story where one of the main villains is his biggest enemy, were shafted so Marvel characters could shine more. Hell, I could milk this and name the came MCU Vs. Capcom: Infinite Spotlight Stealing.

Yes and Marvel made the Capcom characters look uglier and weaker. I've heard the conspiracy theories.

It was not just "mahvel" going to extremes; it was outright blatant MCU propaganda. The backlash was to be expected.

There was backlash because the Fox characters were barred, the roster was lame and because the game itself looked like ass. As others have stated, even on the level of MCU shilling, there were still characters people were asking for like Loki who were omitted, as well as quite a few Capcom characters people were hoping for like Nero, Leon, Asura or Gene. Infinite's problem was not a focus on the MCU, it was that it suffered from severe laziness in just about every area from roster to presentation. If they'd included some token X-Men, a more adventurous roster and spent more than 5 minutes on the visual presentation, nobody would have given a shit about how much of the line-up consisted of MCU characters.

As much as people want a new Marvel Vs. Capcom to happen, the truth is that the chances of this actually happening are even lower than they were for Infinite. Wishful delirium will not make things come true. I know that, and everyone should know that as well.

No offense here, but you seem to care way too much about what people do or don't want to discuss. If people talking about the chances of a new game bothers you, there ain't much you can do unless you're a moderator. Perhaps there are more productive discussions on this site that may interest you.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 22nd 2018 at 11:46:18 AM

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 12:11:39 AM

You say there's no offense to your answer to me, but you felt offended by me saying this entire thing about speculating a new game's existence out of a guy who got known for being a complete hit-and-miss on predictions ŕ lá Michael Patcher is wishful thinking.

I asked many times about what was so special about this kid, and the only information that got returned was the one saying he's not the prophet people are making him out to be just because of a hit on Smash Bros Ultimate. As Cortez said on the last page: "People wanting to believe doesn't make him credible".

Edited by ZeroDozer on Oct 23rd 2018 at 5:20:42 PM

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 12:21:02 AM

You say there's no offense to your answer to me, but you felt offended by me saying this entire thing about speculating a new game's existence out of a guy who got known for being a complete hit-and-miss on predictions ŕ lá Michael Patcher is wishful thinking.

Er, no. I'm not offended. I said that at a certain point saying "But guys, this probably isn't true! Why are you talking about this?!" over and over again becomes white noise. Which truthfully happened some time ago.

As Cortez said on the last page: "People wanting to believe doesn't make him credible".

Case in point.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 23rd 2018 at 12:21:42 PM

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 12:25:23 AM

Yeah, I guess I understand the white noise part. As in much parroting and walking in circles. Guess I'll need to take a break from the discussion and just watch what happens next.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Oct 23rd 2018 at 5:28:52 PM

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 12:27:16 AM

By white noise you talking about Cyborg’s sonic cannon? tongue

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 3:28:32 AM

So I've been thinking a long time on whether I want this rumor to true or not. It's not so much I'm afraid of disappointment I'm long pass that point. A part of me don't want this to be true because I don't want to see a bunch of damn bandwagoners suddenly doing a 180.

People were hating on this game even before it came out & for legit reasons too. When you do that much of a shitastic job on advertising & marketing, you deserve to be called out on it. But when you do that to people who were trying to enjoy just the game itself? Yea, go fuck yourself. People were getting harass for having the audacity to enjoy Infinte! That was my final straw & the last time I would tolerate anyone's bullshit. I'm fucking sick & tire being ashamed on what I can & can't enjoy. This is the lowest & the most disgusting thing I've seen in the FGC. Even when I was more than willing call out on this game's BS, I still got crap on for trying my best to be impartial. I couldn't go anywhere without someone telling me how bad the game is, which is complete bull shit. I couldn't even go own Infinite's own sub reddit without people harassing me. These assholes wanted Dragon Ball Fighter Z to be the MVC killer so badly. Why should the FGC get a game they were so ready to abandon? They don't deserve a refine Infinite game. This game made me despise the FGC, Capcom & Marvel more than ever.

And then I realize how much I hate the FGC and I want this rumor to true only because so I can shove it their face. To show them how shallow & petty they really are. Until I realize there are people who genuinely enjoying this game. Those people deserve to be rewarded for their loyalty & their perseverance against everyone else giving them grief for just enjoying the game. I'm willing to give Capcom the benefit of the doubt, but not Marvel.

Call it being over dramatic or whatever, I really don't want this game to be the last game in the MVC series.

Oct 23rd 2018 at 9:58:41 AM

You keep using the term FGC like they're some hive minded boogie men that causes all the problems in your life.

People - all people - are fickle. The really hardcore fans that stick with a fighter will stick with a good one no matter what, and the ones that are looking to get paid - and most other people with them, since most people aren't going to spend an extended time with a fighting game - are going to play the newest, healthiest, shiniest one that has the biggest current audience, or that scratches whatever itch they have for a week or two. You're shitting on the same group that loyally played Marvel 2 for well over a decade when they didn't have another title like it in the pipeline.

Everyone jumped on the hate train for this game, just like everyone did for Mass Effect Andromeda, not just the FGC. I'm willing to bet you 5% of the people discussing it, anywhere, ever even put their hands on it. They heard second hand it was bad or were unimpressed by the graphics, presentation and story mode, and just nodded their heads and agreed that was the case, and moved on to Dragon Ball because everyone was saying the opposite about it.

Edited by Hashil on Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:05:21 AM

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:06:59 AM

[up][up]DAE FGC bad?🤔🤔🤔🤔

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:17:19 AM

Don't talk like none of that wasn't issue when it came to this game. The FGC had shitastic attitude & they deserve to be call on that bullshit like anyone else. They're cancerous group of people period.

Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:33:48 AM

You're putting a whole lot of blame on a group of individuals as if they were the only ones.

The very same community that embraces a game I'm pretty confident you enjoy, too. Nobody wanted Marvel Infinite to be bad, it just turned out that way, and I'd prefer a community turn on a bad product than continue to blindly support it.

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Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:48:42 AM

But you wouldn't know that at least not in the way the people acted. Silent Majority or not, there were more people vocal about wanting the game to outright fail compare to the ones who wanted to succeed


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