The Good Place

It'd be hilarious if it turned out that Tahani's family was absolutely horrible to her, but they were so genuinely nice, helpful, and considerate to literally everyone else that they still got into the Good Place.

Oh, they totally have to do that.

It wouldn't be funny otherwise.

Mind you, her sister really is perfect it seems—she just doesn't like her envious name-dropping sister whose real beef was with their parents.

edited 29th Jan '18 2:22:04 AM by CharlesPhipps

As much as I love Maya Rudolph, it would be easy to understand that she isn't a real all-powerful judge, and instead is some other Hell/Heaven troll thrown into the four to annoy them.

Maybe the burrito was the judge.

That would be hilarious.

All we know is Mindy St. Clair is the only encountered toss up who somehow ended up in the middle place. We also know that Chidi was the closest, but not particularly so.

This means we don't have any grounding to know if the "mundane" good end up in heaven or not, as information can be used to argue each way.

However we can probably assume that anyone with those old age epiphany turnarounds are not in the good place.

Micheal FINALLY acknowledged the crazy scoring system! AND a Big Damn Kiss! And a big damn TWIST! Best finale ever.

edited 1st Feb '18 8:42:29 PM by HBomb

Yeah, I'm glad that the scoring system is ridiculous and unfair in this show because it's supposed to be. As far as telling the story, that is.

Hot diggity dog, this show is great.

This is pretty much unrelated to the episode, but I wonder what Michael actually looks like? When he's not wearing a human suit.

I am so happy we got to see Ted Danson playing Michael playing Sam Malone.

I'm really curious to see where this is going to go. I'm assuming they're REALLY alive again, or else the judge wouldn't be so hesitant to do this. So are we just going to follow the four of them till they all die again?

I think this is a faux Earth. It’s a MASSIVE simulation, hence the judge’s hesitance. I don’t think the judge can actually bring humans back to life. And that would require time travel, even with the wibbly wobbly timey wimey different dimension stuff.

Yeah, that's what I think too. Plus it explains why Chidi had an American accent in this "reincarnation" even though he really shouldn't have one.

edited 2nd Feb '18 9:23:02 PM by DeathsApprentice

Also CHIDI KISSED ELEANOR AND JAJASON IS BACK WOOOOOOOOO.

This is easily one of the best shows on television. I wish all of the shows I watch could be as creative and funny as this one. You can tell the person who made this show really believed in this idea.

However, am I the only one who gets really sad watching this show? Like it's full of likable characters and an infectious, fun atmosphere, but these people are dead. And this episode just highlighted how cruel their existence is. They're constantly escaping eternal damnation by the skin of their teeth and they have to look back on their lives realizing they made other people miserable. I'm guessing the theme is that they live in their own personal Hell and that's really clever.

But still, it's...really heartbreaking.

I don't find it sad at all, but that's because my fear of death is primarily motivated by the lack of knowledge. They have the knowledge that is true for their world. So for me it's not bothersome at all.

In this case knowing that you'll be tortured forever doesn't make it less eternal torture.

It's Lovecraftian.

Not only do you have the problems of a nihilistic hellhole universe but you have all the worst elements of being the playthings of omnipotent godlike entities.

It's just these entities are DUMB rather than inscrutable.

Yeah. I think it might be a bit of an exaggeration, but I like how the AV Club's reviewer has noted how underneath her bubbliness and warmth, Gen really doesn't care in the slightest about the main humans and isn't persuaded an iota by Michael's heartfelt statements about the unfairness of the underlying moral system. She's classically just bored. And the reviewer has asserted that this makes her more terrifying than Shawn, because Shawn does evil because he's a selfish jerk, which is easy to understand, whereas Gen is operating from Lovecraftian Blue-and-Orange Morality. Which is terrifying because she's supposed to be a representation of divine goodness.

Speaking of Shawn, when he had that line about being a bad bitch, I immediately said to myself "Aha! He's really Neutral Evil and not Lawful Evil!" Too much time on this site and discussing Order of the Stick I guess.

Also had a theory based on some comments I read on this site. I learned that in real life, Jameela Jamil was in a car accident (IIRC) and for a time thought she would be paralyzed. I was thinking that something similar might happen with Tahani, as Michael managers to push her out of the way of the statue, but she still gets badly injured. Although like her actress, ends up making a complete recovery. I also considered that especially because she was in the U.S. at the time of her death, she'd recover there (Cleveland has a really good hospital system), and as part of her moral growth would end up going to Jacksonville, Florida for some her charitable work and of course meet and hit it off with Jason there.

Isn't Gen a force of divine neutrality, not goodness? Zap Brannigan was right. You can't trust those darn neutrals.

I think it's scarier to think of the implication of MICHAEL's speech.

That they're ALL ON THE SAME TEAM.

Which is important to realize. The Devils and Angels BOTH believe what they're doing is 100% right because humans deserve what the system says.

But that also begs the question of what the angels in this universe are like. Are they oblivious to the torture and pain that the dead humans go through or are they completely on board with the system in the way that the Devils are? If it's the latter, doesn't that also make them Devils?

Then again, the closest thing we've seen to an angel in this show is Janet and, well, she's awesome.

Mind you, I think it could well be the Angels are a lot like Gen.

Nice, pleasant, helpful, and utterly unsympathetic.

Like Jehovah's witnesses.

We've actually gotten very little information about what the real Good Place is actually like. Hell, it might not be there.