"It's impossible for Mufasa and Scar to be brothers because of how IRL lions behave"? Well, next you'll tell me lions don't sing, Hahn.
edited 20th Aug '17 2:43:13 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Makes me wonder of the Cecil the Lion pride then. He had a brother, and unlike Scar, apparently he is protecting all of the cubs rather than killing his brother's cubs.
Also, the idea of Zazu being played by John Oliver is rather funny, especially in this day and age. I just want to see Zazu having his own talk show and commenting on how Scar is a terrible and stupid ruler of the Pride Lands.
"I just can't wait to be King!"
WHAT?! WHAT?! Simba, you're rooting for your dad to die ! What is wrong with you ! What is wrong with you ?
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Ah, yes Prince Scar, or as I like to call him 'The Anti-Monarchist's wet dream.'
If there's one thing I think this movie should change, it's the original film's attempted Aesop of confronting your past. That was never going to work when the thing Simba was running away from, being responsible for Mufasa's death, was never true in the first place.
The best way they could fix that is to either truly make Simba responsible for Mufasa's death, or try a different Aesop entirely. The former method could lead to some interesting changes, but making Simba responsible for Mufasa's death would likely make Scar a weaker villain, since instead of Scar being a Magnificent Bastard who plotted Mufasa's death, it just comes across as Scar getting a lucky break.
There's also the issue of the scene where Scar has Simba hanging onto a cliff over a fire. Simba only manages to fight back because Scar told him he was the one who really killed Mufasa, which breaks the "face your past" Aesop because Simba learns he never did anything wrong.
That's why I'm actually interested in this movie, because unlike the other live action remakes, which were based on films that are so good there isn't much you can do to improve them, The Lion King definitely has some flaws that a remake could be used to fix.
edited 6th Nov '17 3:31:13 PM by MJTrooper
I don't think it breaks the aesop of not wanting to face your past. Simba never discovered who was really responsible for Mufasa's death because he ran away from his responsibilities rather than face them. Simba allowed a tyrant and murderer to rule the Pride Lands for years because he couldn't face his past. That strikes me as providing ample support for the aesop of "running away from your past rather than face it is a bad idea."
It's really only a Broken Aesop if you interpret the movie's moral in the narrowest way possible: That Simba should have faced his perceived responsibility in Mufasa's death. But the responsibilities Simba was running away from amounted to far more than that — he was also running away from his responsiblities to the Pride Lands, such as making sure that his absence didn't allow a power-hungry dictator to take over everything now that Mufasa was gone. Once he learns to take responsibility for that, he manages to overthrow Scar, proving the point. Yes, it does turn out that Mufasa's death wasn't his fault, but 1) he'd never have learned that in the first place if he hadn't come back, and 2) even without factoring in Scar's involvement, Mufasa's death by stampede wouldn't have been Simba's fault anyway.
edited 6th Nov '17 11:14:09 AM by DrDougsh
Yeah, learning that the reason you had for running from your past is based on a lie or misunderstanding *is* the moral here, because that's so often the case— parts of our past that we're ashamed or afraid of take on a significance all out of proportion when we spend all our time brooding on them instead of trying to actually do something about them.
It's hardly the only film whose moral can be negatively interpreted. Just look at the Warp That Aesop page.
"Write the story so that audiences can't interpret it wrong" is a very flawed assumption. Alternate Character Interpretation and Broken Aesop is essentially the rule rather than the exception, and as we saw with Beauty and the Beast the smallest changes may overcomplicate things and even cause their own faulty logic.
Given the Time Skip, I think there is room to expand on that portion of the story. See more of Scar's self-destructive rule, Nala's defiance and Simba's friendship with Timon and Pumba.
Probably ignore it. It’s a classic Fridge Logic moment that few notice until after viewing the film and thinking implications over.
Lion King 2 was made before the cheapquels were really a thing. That directive more or less started with The Little Mermaid 2.
I suppose it's late to say this, but Eric Andre as a Hyena is kind of perfect.
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Mufasa and Scar weren't brothers in the original movie apparently.[1]