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Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#51: Aug 4th 2017 at 7:27:12 PM

I do think that there are some cases where fan spellings might be worth having on the page, for examples when a work does not get an official translation for a long time, and by the time it does get translated fans have already decided on a certain spelling.

edited 4th Aug '17 7:27:34 PM by Zuxtron

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#52: Aug 4th 2017 at 8:13:56 PM

[up][up] Here is the thing though, they are used in places That is what makes it worthy of the trope.

You can translate X as 50 different things, especially the whole L vs R thing, ok, however when 2 or more of those are used at any period of a work's lifespan then that is what makes it a big deal.

A fansub / fan community or a translated press release on Anime News Network etc. its all a part of it.

edited 4th Aug '17 8:17:11 PM by Memers

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#53: Aug 19th 2017 at 11:27:30 AM

If it's being used on sites, fan or news, it isn't speculation though.
A fansub / fan community or a translated press release on Anime News Network etc. its all a part of it
Is not present in the work itself because these are not part of the work's publication. At best, they're examples of Cowboy BeBop at His Computer.
We use unofficial Spell My Name with an "S" a ton
That's against TV Tropes policy.
Final ratio, throwing out the Waffles and non-votes, is 10:1 in favor of limiting it to official spellings. Well above the 2:1 threshold for declaring a consensus.
Okay to start cleaning examples, then? (note that one more poster has come to vote against the limitation, making the ratio 10:2)

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#54: Aug 19th 2017 at 12:02:03 PM

It's still a supermajority, so probably. We'll also need to add a bold note in the description for the "official spellings only" part.

edited 19th Aug '17 12:03:13 PM by Karxrida

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#55: Aug 19th 2017 at 3:25:03 PM

That's against TV Tropes policy.
Sooo we should start using names in their original Japanese then? Every series that does not have an official western release would have to be changed wholesale and there is A LOT of them, especially from the period after the anime boom's collapse and the rise of officially subbed series by Crunchyroll.

For example Macross Frontier the series name itself would need to be changed to "マクロスF (フロンティア)" and the main character's name would need to be changed to "早乙女 アルト".

We use unofficial English translations all the freaken time for these series as its really the only way we can really catalog them as series. Most of the time there are at least 2 ways to translate a name into English, occasionally many more ways. In the case of the MC for frontier it can be 'Alto' or 'Aruto'.

edited 19th Aug '17 3:47:31 PM by Memers

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#56: Aug 19th 2017 at 6:06:09 PM

The ratio of every Japanese series that does not have an official western release to every Japanese series with an official western release is not directly relevant. The directly relevant ratio is work pages on Japanese series that do not have an official western release to work pages on Japanese series with an official western release, which is decidedly small.

Abstractly speaking, if you can prove the number of work pages on Japanese series that do not have an official western release is even in the triple digits, I'll eat my hat. Stub pages don't count. (Use a new thread and tag me in it, this is getting off topic.)

Given the thousands of work pages, pages on works without official English publications are a relatively a rare scenario that the policy doesn't really cover, and when fans argue over which spelling is "correct", mod posts occur. The site policy does not condone or encourage Spell My Name With An S on this wiki. To answer your specific example, if editors for Macross Frontier are edit-warring over the main character's name being spelled 'Alto' or 'Aruto', I'd call for the moderators to determine which one was used going forward, since there's no official translation in the foreseeable future.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#57: Aug 22nd 2017 at 10:18:49 AM

Memers, stop being obtuse. The official wiki policy is that we use the official English name if there is one; if there isn't one, we use the official original language name. This simply extends that to include "we use the official transliteration if there is one."

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#58: Aug 22nd 2017 at 8:25:09 PM

[up] That's already what the policy is, I think.

  • If an official English translation of the name exists, use the most recent official English translation of the name.
  • Else, if an official transliteration of the name exists, use the most recent official transliteration of the name.
  • Else, pretty much anything goes, as long as it's consistent and somewhat accurate to the original language. These are the cases where we have no official guidance, but we have to use something.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#59: Aug 22nd 2017 at 8:36:24 PM

So we can officially call this and start work, right?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#60: Aug 22nd 2017 at 8:55:29 PM

[up][up][up] Thats the thing though, if there is no official translation any name can be translated in a lot of different ways and there is no real 'correct' one thus it should be an example of the trope. News media many times does their own translations, which we will use, and those too might be wrong from later official translations.

OR perhaps a related trope? It IS a trope though.

[up] Could you dump what you remove here?

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#61: Sep 17th 2017 at 1:00:33 AM

OK, consensus indicates this should be for official spellings only. That does not preclude people from TLPing Fan Spelling or whatever but examples of that don't belong here.

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#62: Sep 17th 2017 at 4:52:57 PM

I was going to add the standard bolded note at the end, but I realized that the description probably needs an overhaul due to the new restriction.

edited 17th Sep '17 4:53:23 PM by Karxrida

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#63: Sep 18th 2017 at 8:56:17 AM

Sandbox.Spell My Name With An S is up; any critiques?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#64: Sep 18th 2017 at 10:30:28 AM

I've done the 'A's in SpellMyNameWithAnS.Anime, moving the fan debates over to Sandbox.Fan Preferred Spelling to make copying easier.

edited 18th Sep '17 10:30:48 AM by crazysamaritan

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#65: Sep 18th 2017 at 1:42:05 PM

[up]x2 Something seems a little off with the description, but I'm not sure what it is.

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#66: Sep 19th 2017 at 5:59:29 AM

Page image needs to go, because Berenstein isn't part of either the new trope or the proposed fan spelling trope.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#67: Sep 19th 2017 at 7:28:25 AM

Why do you say that the page image doesn't show two different spellings of the same name by the publisher of the work?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#68: Sep 19th 2017 at 7:48:41 AM

It is not an example of either.

The name has always stayed consistent as its is the creator's last name everyone else though thinks it being different. It is an example of The Mandela Effect aka a collective false memory.

The image of the misspelling is from a TV Guide or something and likely a Cowboy BeBop at His Computer.

edited 19th Sep '17 7:50:49 AM by Memers

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#69: Nov 10th 2017 at 5:35:07 PM

How is this going thus far? The pages are currently still in their old forms.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#70: Nov 16th 2017 at 4:37:26 PM

[up] I haven't been doing anything related to this recently, and it looks like I'm the only one. I'll see what I can contribute on Sunday.

[up][up] I've grown up with the belief that newspapers and TV Guide are reporting the information that was sent to them, rather than a reporter (or team of) having been assigned to gather the information. I suggest a new Image Picking thread to make the final descision.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#71: Nov 16th 2017 at 6:33:37 PM

Someone would still have to transcribe the thing which is likely where the misspelling came from. The name of the show and family has always stayed consistent, it's the creator's and owner of the franchise's last name.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#72: Nov 16th 2017 at 6:51:16 PM

The trope namer was inspired by publishers who would transcribe Isaac Asimov's name, and misspell it. He never changed the spelling in his career, either.

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#73: Nov 22nd 2017 at 7:45:49 PM

[up] So the trope will now qualify for This Index Is Not an Example?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#74: Nov 23rd 2017 at 7:26:39 AM

Isaac Asimov, spelled Issaac Asimov by the publisher, on the front cover.

The Trope Namer story of the Spell My Name with an "S" is an example of My Nayme Is. So it was added to the index over five years ago.

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#75: Jan 7th 2018 at 10:53:11 AM

Locking per New Year Purge.

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