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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#6376: Apr 24th 2020 at 12:30:06 PM

it's exactly as bad as in the original, sadly.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#6377: Apr 24th 2020 at 12:59:33 PM

At first i thought both were at fault, but after constant replays, Ryuji did nothing wrong.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6378: Apr 24th 2020 at 4:00:31 PM

[up]I had the same thought. It's easy to say they both messed up but the entire thing started due to Morgana, and he's the reason it lasts as long as it does.

Edited by VeryMelon on Apr 24th 2020 at 4:00:40 AM

Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#6379: Apr 24th 2020 at 4:31:02 PM

It is one of those things that work better in paper than in execution. In theory, it was supposed to be about Morgana's growing insecurities about who he really is and his own usefulness. Where it falls flat in regard to the latter is that while Futaba is the better navigator, I'd say Morgana is still one of the most competent party members.

Not only that, the outburst he had was barely related to his own issues since that outburst was more about the others being indecisive, and to varying degrees, them starting to do things for the wrong reasons. All in all, it sort of feels that the writer(s) wanted to do a while lot for a single arc, and it did not mesh well together.

Don't catch you slippin' now.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#6380: Apr 24th 2020 at 4:34:14 PM

I feel like while they both shit on each other throughout the game, Morgana's a lot more mean-spirited about it than Ryuji.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#6381: Apr 24th 2020 at 4:46:01 PM

Morgana never fails to take even the cheapest pot-shot at Ryuji.

Its quite clear he thinks of the guy as nothing more than a clown.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#6382: Apr 24th 2020 at 4:51:57 PM

Well he is the game's Butt-Monkey for better and worse. Pretty much everyone calls him dumb at one point or another, not to mention him getting beat up by all the girls after Shido's Palace.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#6383: Apr 24th 2020 at 5:10:48 PM

[up] Ryuji brings that one on himself.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#6384: Apr 24th 2020 at 5:13:26 PM

Its just usually at least Ryuji does something dumb to merit a comment.

While Morgana just never stops. He's throwing shade on Ryuji when it isn't even warrented.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#6385: Apr 24th 2020 at 5:32:13 PM

[up][up] I guess a point can be made that he has a tendency of not thinking before speaking, but I don't think getting an audibly loud slap followed by a beatdown is proportionate.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#6386: Apr 24th 2020 at 6:36:33 PM

there's a convo buried somewhere in the depths of the thieves den where the girls acknowledge they acted out of line beating up ryuji and should apologize one day. Doesn't do much for the scene but I liked they added that.

I think the morgana conflict works better than it's given credit for. Yeah, morgana cannot take what he dishes out to ryuji, but the point is that this particular dynamic was never the problem, merely the catalyst through which morgana's insecurities are channeled into anger. I've seen that happen quite a couple times in a circle of friends I have and I find this behavior very true to life.

The shortcoming of the arc is more, indeed, that the plotline completely overlooks his utility during combat. That's one of the things I fundamentally disagree on the game with, and it's that line ryuji has when he tries to apologize, "look, i don't care if you're useless or if you're a cat, i'm useless too". Like yeah, it's terribly worded, but he's right. By morgana's logic, ryuji's useless too, ann is useless too, but nobody would ever question removing them from the team.

But that too, works with the idea that it's not the actual problem, merely morgana trying to rationalize him leaving the team as a shitty rationalization "it'd be better that way" because the actual probelm is that he's insecure about his humanity and fears he doesn't actually belong here.

Edited by Yumil on Apr 24th 2020 at 3:57:06 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#6387: Apr 29th 2020 at 2:38:04 PM

Done and platinumed. Gotta say that the platinum trophy was much easier to get in Royal than in the original.bi even tripped myself up a few times doing needless things since I mixed the trophies up. At least I can say I've gotten all the trophies for both versions.

Anyway, I'm a bit salty that Sumire didn't get a real farewell scene. It was also weird how there wasn't many hangout spots for her.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#6388: May 18th 2020 at 7:44:23 PM

Anyone else really enjoying the discourse surrounding the new endings? That Maruki, in contrast to almost every other "utopian" in the franchise (Zelenin, Madame Cuvier, Tayama, East Mikado in general...), actually means everything he says and truly is as good as advertised really does make it a hard choice, I think. Apparently the proper names for the two endings are "Real" (reject Maruki) and "Ideal" (join him) rather than "good" and "bad" which I like.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 18th 2020 at 9:57:35 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#6389: May 18th 2020 at 7:47:02 PM

He's even better than Nyx as far as final bosses go, which I never thought would happen.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6390: May 18th 2020 at 8:13:14 PM

Eh, I'd put him above Nyx if his third phase wasn't scripted, but for the most part he's a fun and decently challenging fight.

I also like that opinion on Maruki's plan is divided, rather than uniform. Granted, there are people willing to call you an apologist if you don't think Maruki is as bad as Shido, but at least they aren't the majority.

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#6391: May 18th 2020 at 8:15:39 PM

All the final bosses in the series from 3 onward have a scripted last phase (3 with the Great Seal, 4 with Myriad Truths, 5 with Sinful shell, and 5R with the MGS 4 styled slugfest) so I don't think its a big deal.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6392: May 18th 2020 at 8:22:36 PM

Yes, we have different tastes.

CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6393: May 18th 2020 at 8:24:49 PM

[up][up]Would it be weird if the final boss of Persona 6 were to invert that by having a scripted first phase while the last phase is a bog-standard boss fight?

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on May 18th 2020 at 8:30:39 AM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#6394: May 18th 2020 at 8:27:36 PM

[up][up] Just pointing out what happens during the actual bosses, dude.

No need to be dismissive.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6395: May 18th 2020 at 8:40:22 PM

I did no such thing, I just know better than to draw out a conversation like this. It's never interesting enough to warrant it.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#6396: May 19th 2020 at 1:17:44 AM

I'm hoping Maruki inspires a better trend of Law characters.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#6397: May 19th 2020 at 8:02:44 AM

Me too. I've always felt the entire Shin Megami Tensei franchise was very, very biased against Law as a whole.

Even in the games where they try to claim Law and Chaos are equally bad (and they actually are) Law always comes off as a little bit worse.

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CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6398: May 19th 2020 at 8:14:18 AM

Well, what did you expect? Christianity doesn't exactly have much support in Japan even today and the religion itself was persecuted in the past. That's also not getting into the many questionable things that YHVH's followers do in many Biblical stories.

Kara MONSTER COACH Since: Aug, 2013
MONSTER COACH
#6399: May 19th 2020 at 9:06:23 AM

Why not make non-christian Law then? I'd really like to see something like DDS again where they heavily borrowed things from one religion, while mixing in elements from others. Heck, aren't Japanese gods in the franchize separated into two opposing groups? Why not use that?

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#6400: May 19th 2020 at 9:18:58 AM

[up] Mainly because Chaos is the side that already got dibs on borrowing heavily from Buddhism and Japanese iconography


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