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rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#1: Aug 4th 2016 at 1:40:20 PM

What difference there is with Beauty Is Bad? They are nearly the same trope.

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#2: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:04:30 PM

Opened.

From what I gather, the lone difference I can find is that in Beauty Is Bad, a beautiful person is evil, while in Hot Guys Are Bastards, a beautiful person is a Jerkass, making the former The Same But More.

If that's the case, I propose that we merge Beauty Is Bad into Hot Guys Are Bastards.

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#3: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:28:23 AM

Agree with merge the tropes.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:30:48 AM

I assumed this was more "Hot guys make bastard boyfriends' which plays into the plucky kind ugly dude.

Can probably merge since it does not seem to be that

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#5: Aug 6th 2016 at 5:50:10 AM

I think it's the inverse. Hot Guys Are Bastards (which I should note is supposed to be unisex, so the title isn't ideal) is The Same But Less to Beauty Is Bad, which is clearly written as a counterpart to Beauty Equals Goodness.

Comparing the two, Beauty Is Bad (like Beauty Equals Goodness) is describing a work-wide trend whereas Hot Guys Are Bastards is written as a Character+Trait trope, opening the door for PSOC and zero context examples.

I would support a merge, but keep Beauty Is Bad as the base trope.

edited 6th Aug '16 6:13:45 AM by Morgenthaler

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#6: Aug 7th 2016 at 3:20:50 PM

[up] If it's supposed to be unisex, then it's definitely a case of The Same But More and they may as well be merged.

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#7: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:34:50 PM

As far as I see it, Hot Guys Are Bastards is "one guy/girl in a story is hot & bad", while Beauty Is Bad is " all or most hot girls/guys in a story are bad". IMHO, there's a difference between portraying one hot character as bad compared to portraying all hot characters as bad.

tbarrie Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:36:14 PM

"One guy/girl in a story is hot and bad" doesn't seem like a trope to me.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#9: Aug 8th 2016 at 3:24:25 PM

This sounds like Hot Guys Are Bastards is just the Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon retooled for physical attractiveness instead of innocence.

Hot Guys Are Bastards appears to be about contrasting the external beauty with the inner ugliness the way Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon contrasts external innocence with inner malice.

That might make Hot Guys Are Bastards a contrast to True Beauty Is on the Inside because it's a Beauty Is Only Skin Deep trope.

That said, I don't see any significant difference between Hot Guys Are Bastards and Beauty Is Bad, as the key to the both is the contrast between external beauty and inner ugliness. The Beauty Is Bad trope does say it's about any undesirable personality (such as Jerkass), and doesn't have to equate simply to the character being evil. As a result, it's covering the same range of options as Hot Guys Are Bastards. Both tropes doing the same thing.

edited 8th Aug '16 3:31:45 PM by Wyldchyld

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#10: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:53:12 AM

So, single prop crowner to merge Hot Guys Are Bastards with Beauty Is Bad?

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#11: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:38:36 AM

Is there enough of a trope here to try to make into it's own thing? Maybe a subtrope to Beauty Is Bad?

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#12: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:51:33 AM

I don't think so. The closest thing to distinct from Beauty Is Bad is that it's a single character trait, rather than a work at large. Where a character has the traits of being attractive and hot. Which isn't a trope.

Closest thing to making that a trope is a character is awful because they're attractive and think they can get away with it. In which case it's Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful!.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#13: Aug 17th 2016 at 10:11:49 AM

From the trope name I figured it was going to be about the tendency of a Bastard Boyfriend to be attractive compared to the uglier Nice Guy, but I guess that's also The Same But More Specific.

edited 17th Aug '16 10:11:58 AM by PhiSat

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#14: Aug 17th 2016 at 11:18:23 AM

[up] If it goes with the rival in love angle then its not really the same since its a dynamic of ugly vs beauty as well. Ugly has a tendency to potentially be a form of used and abused Dogged Nice Guy as well.

edited 17th Aug '16 11:21:10 AM by Memers

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#15: Aug 24th 2016 at 1:16:12 AM

Made a crowner to resolve this.

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#16: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:51:51 AM

Crowner hooked.

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#17: Sep 1st 2016 at 3:55:48 AM

the result is clear, merge.

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#18: Sep 1st 2016 at 5:58:44 AM

Yep, calling for the merge into Beauty Is Bad.

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#19: Sep 15th 2016 at 4:42:46 AM

so, start with move the tropes to Beauty is Bad or need a new page?

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#20: Sep 15th 2016 at 11:08:58 AM

We can move any examples that aren't on Beauty Is Bad there.

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#21: Sep 16th 2016 at 10:20:40 AM

ok, i have moved nearly all the the examples (ZCE included).

Just need someone that take care of the Litareture examples. there are similar quote in the pages and the example need to be re-written, but my English is not sufficent good.

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#22: Sep 20th 2016 at 11:44:49 AM

Also most of Literature is moved. Just the A Song of Ice and Fire is the only example in the page now.

Someone can help in merge with the same example in Beauty Is Bad?

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#23: Sep 25th 2016 at 6:05:05 AM

I renamed many tropes from this list, but some page are locked or have an unclear description.

edited 9th Oct '16 1:51:49 PM by rafi

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#25: Oct 8th 2016 at 9:13:14 PM

I'll take on the rest of the list tomorrow. Got a couple ghost wicks.

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