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Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#46251: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:18:18 PM

Momonga: I see. So why not use a bow and arrow? What advantage does this firearm have over that?

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#46252: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:23:15 PM

Six: Another is rate of fire. Nearly every firearm in what I'd call "contemporary" times loads multiple rounds at once.

Even on the "slower" ones - where you only get one shot when you pull the trigger - this lets you shoot pretty fast. A bunch of weapons have an "automatic" fire mode, which is to say, you pull the trigger and it'll keep shooting until you let go, or it runs dry.

Not a good idea for fighting at a distance, naturally - guns do kick - but at close quarters the ability to "spray and pray" has quite the effect on people. A gun crackling loudly during automatic fire, the unmistakeable high-pitched whizz of a bullet flying past your head...

We actually use that to our advantage in combat tactics centered around guns. We have "machine gunners", they use very large weapons, lots of ammo loaded. They aren't trained specifically to hit their targets, but to shoot in their general direction. It's called "suppression". Idea being, if you're rational, and a gun's rattling off shots at you, you want to keep your head down until it stops. All it takes to kill you is one bullet in the right place.

edited 19th Jul '17 9:26:26 PM by SpartyMcFly

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#46253: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:26:26 PM

Momonga: So it is the quality of quantity, in other words.

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#46254: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:31:07 PM

Six: Indeed.

The last big one is penetration. A lot of guns use cone-shaped bullets - a fine point on the end. Much smaller than an arrow, true - but they also fly a lot faster. Some of our bigger weapons can fire bullets that travel faster than sound does. Armor that was made to block the heavy and sharp, but slow impact of a sword gets holes punched through it by fast, tiny, and pointy bullets.

For a while armor fell out of fashion. Pointless against a bullet. But our knowledge of metallurgy and fabrics improved, and eventually we managed to build armor that can protect against them. Lightweight "vests", made of a special fiber that can be weaved into a chestplate which'll stop them. Or heavier armor, like what I wear.

But even then, bullets have so much penetrative potential that even with armor, a lot of the time it's usually better to avoid being shot. There's a few guns I've used. You turn them against my breastplate, one that could deflect a sword and only get scratched - and it'd shoot clean through. In one end, out the other.

edited 19th Jul '17 9:32:12 PM by SpartyMcFly

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#46255: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:32:01 PM

Momonga: Hmmm. I think I see why they were outlawed, if all firearms have these sorts of qualities.

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#46256: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:33:53 PM

Six: It depends, really.

It took a long time for guns to become that useful back home. The ones you'd be more likely to see? Sure, they could probably go through your armor like a finger through a brook - but why use them over a bow and arrow?

They're heavy. They're loud. They're finicky and temperamental. They take an eternity to load, and another eternity to shoot. They might not even hit where you aim it. The pepper gets wet? It might not even shoot in the first place. And it's a hell of a lot more difficult to cast a bullet than it is to whittle an arrow.

edited 19th Jul '17 9:35:13 PM by SpartyMcFly

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#46257: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:35:16 PM

Momonga: So technology simply made it more efficient. I see.

Is there any defense one has against a firearm if one uses a sword?

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#46258: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:39:32 PM

Six: If I were to be using a sword against a gunfighter?

Stay concealed, take cover. Up close you might want something that could take a horse's buck without giving, but at a distance anything that keeps you from being seen is probably going to keep you from being hit.

Beyond that? Wait. Play defensively. You don't have the range advantage, so you can't push your enemy. You need to make sure that when you do engage them and go for the kill, that you do so on your terms. And if they want safety in the general area, they eventually have to close in and try to take you down.

edited 19th Jul '17 9:40:07 PM by SpartyMcFly

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#46259: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:44:37 PM

Momonga: Understood. Thank you for your lectures here. I'll have to reflect on these in the future.

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#46260: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:45:27 PM

Six: No problem. I'm happy to talk about it. smile

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#46261: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:52:07 PM

Momonga: I do wonder why do so many places we go to have firearms technology. Is it that universally common?

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#46262: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:00:57 PM

Six: Once technology advances far enough, it is.

I get the feeling a lack of magic has to do with it as well. I don't have much experience with it, but if you don't have magic and you're using a sword against somebody with a gun... the gunfighter is probably going to win.

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#46263: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:09:57 PM

Momonga: That does seem to be the case, considering the considerable lack of close range weapons in these times.

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#46264: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:17:28 PM

Six: Heh. There are close range guns.

Not much is more intimidating to me than the rack of a well-built shotgun.

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#46265: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:20:04 PM

Momonga: I mean actual close range. Shotguns still have a range of over thirty meters, if I had read it right.

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#46266: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:28:02 PM

Six: Good ones up to a hundred, but effective range thirty.

They still do exist. They're just mostly combat knives. Really close-quarters stuff.

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#46267: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:50:07 PM

Momonga: I might have to invest in some sturdy armor then.

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#46268: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:55:17 PM

Six: That'd help. I can help you shop, too.

Others as well.

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#46269: Jul 20th 2017 at 7:46:09 AM

-ges is hanging out in the garage since it's the only place he can really stretch his legs without going around centerpoint and getting weird looks-

FokiasTheJester Since: Jul, 2012
#46270: Jul 20th 2017 at 8:29:19 AM

-Lessay Quartz and Ironscales are out and about once more, feel free to say hi to either of them-

Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#46271: Jul 20th 2017 at 9:55:58 AM

-Chars around-

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FokiasTheJester Since: Jul, 2012
#46272: Jul 20th 2017 at 9:57:36 AM

-Either Quartz or Ironscales may find a Raichar, then?-

Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#46273: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:03:24 AM

-They find Asagi, who's getting off the phone with someone and bandaging her wrist-

Asagi: Yeah...yeah...okay, got it.

-And she hangs up the phone-

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#46274: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:09:46 AM

Quartz: Ah, are you alright, Asagi?

Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#46275: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:10:25 AM

Asagi: Hmmm? Yeah, totally, why d'you ask?

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