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#126: Mar 5th 2017 at 11:07:53 AM

Yeah there is more action than in Godzilla 2014. It doesn't focus on the characters as much as Godzilla so it has more action.

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#127: Mar 5th 2017 at 11:09:50 AM

Sounds like the perfect tradeoff.

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#128: Mar 5th 2017 at 11:10:06 AM

Well that's good enough for me. I've seen all but one of the original 28 Toho Godzilla movies, the human characters usually aren't who you care about. It's the monster action. If it's gonna be a serviceable monster movie with tons of kaiju action, then that's what I'm looking forward to the most about it.

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#129: Mar 5th 2017 at 11:42:14 AM

Umm, no? The human characters are almost always given more focus and screentime than Godzilla and the other monsters.

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#130: Mar 5th 2017 at 11:46:00 AM

Yeah, but do you care about them?

Take Godzilla vs. Megalon, the ultimate of 70's Godzilla cheese. Do we give any damns about the creators of Jet Jaguar? No, we care about seeing Godzilla and Jet Jaguar beating the shit out of Megalon and Gigan.

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#131: Mar 5th 2017 at 11:54:28 AM

Maybe you do.

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#132: Mar 5th 2017 at 12:00:29 PM

I mean, it depends on the film. The Showa and Heisei series gave us some memorable human protagonists (and Godzilla: Final Wars had some nice characters, even if it was kind of a Matrix ripoff). Most of the time, though, it fits the Just Here for Godzilla trope.

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#133: Mar 5th 2017 at 12:03:37 PM

@Arthur Eld: Again, I don't think it's as much overrated as it is that you're not quite understanding what tonal consistency means in the context it's usually applied. It doesn't mean a movie has to be entirely serious or entirely funny, it's more about the overall tone of the movie. Schindler's List is a very serious drama with several moments of levity, but they're well-paced and the drama is still the broad aspect of the movie. Tonal inconsistency is when they're not well-paced or clash too violently.

In either case, yeah, the reviews say Kong shows up a lot more than Godzilla, that it's more action-packed and so forth.

Also: Godzilla Final Wars had CAPTAIN GORDON THE REAL HERO OF HYPE.

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#134: Mar 5th 2017 at 12:05:21 PM

[up][up]Well, in that aspect, the 2014 Godzilla film was exactly like the classic Godzilla movies: much more focus and screentime is given to uninteresting human characters over Godzilla and the other monsters, who are regarded as the best part of the film.

edited 5th Mar '17 12:06:32 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#135: Mar 5th 2017 at 12:05:32 PM

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God damn, that man made that movie pretty damn awesome.

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Pretty much, yeah. Downside is that it didn't have as much Godzilla. He's in what, ten minutes of it, right? He's in like thirty minutes of Godzilla vs. Megalon.

edited 5th Mar '17 12:06:15 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#136: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:55:33 AM

[up][up][up] I get all that. Its just that when something becomes "jarring" or ceases to be well-paced is largely a matter of personal preference and is quite subjective.

Some people found Driver to be poorly paced in the sense that it was too slow, for example.

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#137: Mar 6th 2017 at 7:32:35 AM

[up][up] Nope: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1MFpNOoZ-1s/VNCvN0f3G-I/AAAAAAAABUI/QwzlhYeovfM/s1600/Godzilla Here's the screentime chart for Godzilla across all of his movies up through the 2014 movie. godzilla vs megaton had him in it for only a minute longer then 2014.

edited 6th Mar '17 7:34:51 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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#138: Mar 6th 2017 at 11:13:45 AM

83% on Rotten Tomatoes & 61 on Metacritic.

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#139: Mar 6th 2017 at 12:14:05 PM

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Yes, but look at the run time for each movie: Godzilla 2014 was nearly two hours long, Godzilla vs. Megalon was about 80 minutes.

10 minutes out of an 80 minute movie is 1/8 of the entire film, ten minutes out of a 120 minute movie is 1/12. Proportionally, he's on the screen more.

edited 6th Mar '17 12:15:25 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#140: Mar 6th 2017 at 1:20:50 PM

I am going to keep that chart, that's a very good indicator of what I mean whenever I say that 2014 Godzilla was a lot more similar to the original Godzilla films than people seem to think. Is there a similar chart comparing the relative screentime for the non-Godzilla monsters in the movies that have them?

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#141: Mar 6th 2017 at 1:42:17 PM

Don't get me wrong, I do like that chart and how it shows that Godzilla is generally barely in any of the movies. It's just that sometimes you want a little more than that, ya know?

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#142: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:27:02 PM

Those charts tend to be misleading anyway. It's like the claim that Darth Vader only has 8 minutes of screentime in A New Hope. They take it literally, Vader himself has to be on screen. So he is talking to Leia and there is a close-up of Leia's reaction to him, that doesn't count. His TIE fighter is closing on Luke, that doesn't count. The thing about the screentime Godzilla often has is that the human drama doesn't intersect very well with what is at stake. That's primarily when Developing Doomed Characters comes into play, who cares about your career or romance when a monster is stomping around.

Giving the monster loads of screentime doesn't innately make things better either, the action can get repetitive and you become more aware you are watching CGI.

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#143: Mar 6th 2017 at 5:21:43 PM

It's like the claim that Darth Vader only has 8 minutes of screentime in A New Hope.

Yeah, but A New Hope isn't called Darth Vader or advertised on the basis of "watch Darth Vader smashing everything".

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#144: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:09:04 PM

The point still stands. If anything, things like talking about Godzilla or signs of his presence are more pronounced. The entire Tsunami sequence is precisely big G wrecking shit.

Where Godzilla 2014 went wrong, I feel, is deciding to do the gag where they cut away from the Honolulu battle and we just see the cliff notes on a news broadcast. It was admittedly funny, but sticking to that would have alleviated most of the complaints of too little Godzilla.

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#145: Mar 7th 2017 at 8:22:50 PM

So, while I was in the theater to see Logan last night, I spotted a poster for Kong: Skull Island that had some very interesting and specific information. Apparently this version of King Kong is exactly 100 feet tall, which is impressive, but still nowhere near Godzilla's 355 feet tall. If King Kong doesn't get sized up for the crossover battle movie, we might get to see King Kong vs Godzilla, done with the huge height discrepancy I love in fights.

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#146: Mar 7th 2017 at 8:27:50 PM

This version of Kong is supposed to be a teenager in this film, he'll probably be an adult and even bigger by the time King Kong vs. Godzilla is remade.

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#147: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:31:40 AM

Going to see it today. Critical consensus (from fans of the genre anyway) seems to be that it's a really expensive B-movie more in line with the cheesy adventure movies by Doug Mcclure. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as it doesn't have any pretense of trying to be some kind of respectful remake in the way that Godzilla '14 was trying to evoke. Just a good fun action packed monster movie. Probably won't be as good as Pacific Rim, but the same kind of tone in many ways. Guess I'll see if that's right.

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#148: Mar 10th 2017 at 12:56:48 PM

By all accounts i hear it's a good movie, going by reviews and friends that saw it yesterday.

@Gaon:

Pretty much most reviews have been saying O'Reilly's character is one of the best things about the movie though.

edited 10th Mar '17 12:58:19 PM by Cortez

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#149: Mar 10th 2017 at 12:57:48 PM

Monster fights, hell yeah!

In more nitpicking side, it's a shame that the Japanese soldier from the first scenes didn't live long enough to be part of the main story.

edited 10th Mar '17 12:58:00 PM by erforce

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#150: Mar 10th 2017 at 3:19:37 PM

Just got back from seeing it. This movie is really good if you like monster movies. The characters ended up being better than the reviews made them out to be. No, they aren't very fleshed out, and thet's partly because there are so many of them, but they all have personality and are WAY more memorable than anyone in Godzilla '14.

And I had to keep myself from standing up and shouting FUCK YEAH at the stinger. I am really goddamn happy with Skull Island. I felt like I was 7 years old again watching old VHS tapes.


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