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Anura from England Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5551: Oct 7th 2022 at 1:20:05 PM

The only reason to have a purified Pokemon in competitive is for Return, which is decent but rarely better than other available moves, whereas the Shadow Boost alters stats in a way that's often advantageous.

Edited by Anura on Oct 7th 2022 at 9:20:33 AM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#5552: Oct 7th 2022 at 1:29:32 PM

I purify because I want to get that platinum badge eventually.

But yeah, if you're concerned with competitive status, just keep the shadow.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5553: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:41:11 PM

My complaint is about Niantic making shadow better than purified in the first place.

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KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#5554: Oct 7th 2022 at 3:34:55 PM

Yeah, from an RP perspective, I never deploy Shadow Mons. Helps that I don't PvP, though.

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ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#5555: Oct 10th 2022 at 1:15:58 AM

I wouldn't know, Shadow mons are ugly so I always purify them.

Well, if you don't PVP it's fine, but in PVP you're basically just gimping yourself, because Shadow mons are the strongest fighters you can have. Looks don't matter in PVP, what matter is your damage and move choices.

For a comparison, a level 25 Shadow deals more damage than a level 50 regular/purified mon. It's nuts.



I purify them for ethical reasons but I still see far more Shadow Pokemon than purified Pokemon in the competitive scene.

Yeah, because they're the best choice to play in competitive. Purified mon are basically just the same thing as regular mon but has white aura as decoration.



Honestly though, I don't like it.....it indeed makes no sense that Shadows are better than Purified. But that's what we got.

Edited by ShiningStardust on Oct 10th 2022 at 3:21:01 PM

Anura from England Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5556: Oct 10th 2022 at 7:07:31 AM

[up]They're not always the best. They have a corresponding defence nerf to their attack buff, and there are uses for tanks in PvP. They are always better in raids though, because DPS is king there.

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5557: Oct 10th 2022 at 1:56:00 PM

That's the reason I'm pissed off. It's why this conversation started.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5558: Oct 15th 2022 at 12:06:14 PM

So apparently there are going to be "Elite Raids" introduced to the game, with Hoopa Unbound being the first Elite Raid.

...and Elite Raids can only be done in-person. Personally, I'm not a fan of that decision.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#5559: Oct 15th 2022 at 12:16:06 PM

Yeah, I'm really not a fan. While I've managed remote raids, it's extremely rare I've had a successful high-tier raid with only people in person.

KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#5560: Oct 15th 2022 at 12:16:10 PM

In a vacuum, it's better than the original iteration of EX Raids, but worse than the final iteration.

In full context, it's Niantic putting money before safety.

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5561: Oct 15th 2022 at 2:32:29 PM

Is the community longer than advertised for anyone else?

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HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#5562: Oct 15th 2022 at 3:14:49 PM

Litwick and double candy are also part of the ongoing Festival of Lights event, if you’re still seeing them after the CD hours are over.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5563: Oct 15th 2022 at 3:24:28 PM

Except I also caught a shiny after CD was over.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#5564: Oct 15th 2022 at 4:01:56 PM

Litwick is able to be shiny post community day so you just got lucky on that one.

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#5565: Oct 15th 2022 at 5:32:34 PM

Or you were in the vicinity of a completed Lampent raid, which spawns CD-style Litwick for 30 minutes after the CD is over. (It’s not clear in the announcement if you have to actually participate in the raid to get these spawns.)

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#5566: Oct 15th 2022 at 5:42:27 PM

Oh so Lampent is them testing waters since it's also "local raid only".

Yeah not a fan of this. And to think remote raid pass is making them money.

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#5567: Oct 15th 2022 at 5:56:44 PM

Post-C Day middle stage raids have been around since Deino day. Nothing new there.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#5568: Oct 16th 2022 at 7:15:36 AM

Ok, so I did in fact manage to do an elite raid. Found a group of people on a local Discord and met up in-person. Was quite a bit of effort though, not something I really want to regularly. Did get two Hoopas Unbound out of it though, not bad.

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#5569: Oct 16th 2022 at 7:41:43 AM

Yeah so far Altaria ended up being the biggest winners of the Toxapex release. Beats Tox and has fairy coverage against dark, which was projected to be one of the big winners of the release alongside ground. Ghost was projected to be a winner, which boosted dark alongside the two biggest losers.

The biggest losers of the release are fairy, fighting, bug, and fire (due to ground and Tox countering them). The projected increase in ghost and dark types make psychic very risky to use.

ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#5570: Oct 16th 2022 at 8:36:39 AM

Amusingly, it wasn't so bad. Met up with some friends, beat Hoopa Unbound in a few minutes, then go back home.

Sadly no Kanto bird legend showing up, we waited for half an hour after we caught Hoopa, but nothing.

KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#5571: Oct 16th 2022 at 7:33:30 PM

Got some Hoopas as well. Kinda missed going gym to gym with the community raid groups. Niantic definitely wasn't prepared, though. We had a raid freeze and eject our entire group, then the boss was immune to damage when we rejoined. And since there were no private groups allowed, we had to let the lobby take three minutes timing out while we sat on our thumbs. 30 mins is also way too short a time to chain together a decent string of raids for a walking group.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#5572: Oct 17th 2022 at 5:38:22 AM

We were able to plan a series of two gym runs each timeslot just from checking out what one of the local parks had. I wasn't there for 5pm though so I'm not sure how well things went in terms of people.

The rare spawns after the raid was definitely the low point though. Most people I talked to either had no spawns, spawns so far away it wasn't worth it, or a single spawn. I only saw a single Hisuian Qwilfish and a Metang across the 4 raids I did.

Edited by strawberryflavored on Oct 17th 2022 at 5:39:29 AM

KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#5573: Oct 17th 2022 at 9:28:37 AM

Yeah, I'm one of those people who didn't get any rare spawns. Wasn't super concerned, since we were rushing gym to gym, but still.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#5574: Oct 17th 2022 at 9:47:36 AM

We had a glitch as well; we got the health to 0 but it didn't acknowledge it and the raid just kept going, so we failed when it timed out. Happened to everyone participating. We managed to re-challange that one and win properly though.

No interesting spawns for me.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#5575: Oct 17th 2022 at 11:56:20 PM

Yeah, not too interested in the Elite Raids too.

Option One: I note the time and show up for the raid as the timer goes off. No one else shows up. I wait around. Congrats! I wasted 30 mins of my life!

Option Two: I see the raid and show up, but because we're human, I show up a minute or two after the timer goes off. Everyone who was going to show up already showed up for the raid, did it, and is currently leaving as I'm arriving. In two minutes. :/

I really don't understand Niantic's attitude against remote raiding and even 3rd party apps like Poke Genie. They want players to work together as a community to play the game but... isn't "Hey, we collaborated and made an app that connects players who want to complete the same objective and they can do it together" the ultimate expression of community collaboration???

Or, just using the Pokemon Go App, "Hey, I'm at this raid, I'm going to invite five of my friends to this raid so we can all work together to defeat it!" seems pretty collaborative, no?

Also, for a game that really really wants to promote it's players to work collaboratively, they sure do have no communication options so that players can actually collaborate together to complete objectives.

You can't demand collaboration and communication of a player base that you actively refuse to allow to do so? And get all fussy when said players find other means of collaborating?

"We want you to work together! Wait, No... not like that..."


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