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Jan 9th 2019 at 7:17:15 PM

[up]It looks okay to me.

Jan 10th 2019 at 5:53:33 AM

Bringing up this example from The Dom Reviews:

  • Broken Base: Some fans agree with his "Fuck you, Catelyn Stark!" outbursts in A Dom of Ice and Fire, while others feel he's too hard on her.

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Jan 10th 2019 at 8:30:48 AM

From YMMV.Pokemon Adventures:

  • Broken Base:
    • Whether Viz's or Chuang Yi's translation is better. With Chuang Yi out of business while Viz is still standing as of this writing, this has only gotten worse, though Shogakukan Asia has since picked up where Chuang Yi left off.
    • Another frequent discussion topic is whether this manga or the anime is better.
    • Whether the demotion of several important/popular characters not named after the games (such as Wally, Cheren and Bianca) was a good move or not.
    • Whether the Adaptational Villainy of some of the characters is necessary for the plot or off-putting for those who liked their original characterizations. Many people at least agree that the original in-game characters (especially in the first chapter) didn't have much to begin with.
    • Supplementary materials state that Croaky has Battle Bond. Either you think it's a nice and harmless nod to the anime or a source of major Internet Backdraft with this side of the broken base calling it Canon Defilement.

Jan 10th 2019 at 9:08:06 AM

[up]Non of them does a good job in explaining why they are that.

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Jan 10th 2019 at 12:21:01 PM

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All suffer from lack of context.

Jan 11th 2019 at 3:59:54 AM

Go-Toubun No Hanayome

Base-Breaking Character: Out of the quintuplets we have Nino and Itsuki for different reasons:

  • Nino's distrusting, hostile, and overly antagonistic attitude and behavior in her pre-character development days make her a divisive character in the fandom. While she's been gaining ground in more recent chapters, many fans will never forget just how far she went just to prevent Fuutarou from teaching her and her sisters at the beginning of the series.
  • Itsuki's accused of being bland and underdeveloped compared to her more interesting sisters who have had arcs of their own to further develop their own characters unlike her, even fellow base-breaker Nino. It doesn't help her reputation in the fandom that she has first girl status, which fans believe gives her a head start compared to her sisters and has the highest chance of winning Fuutarou's heart in the long run.

Seems to dwell in the negative with zero positives

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Jan 11th 2019 at 2:25:39 PM

[up]I wasn't aware that any of the characters there caused wars to erupt in the fandom. And I'm always dubious when it's about a character described as "bland". That usually doesn't inspire fan wars as much as lack of interest.

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Jan 11th 2019 at 2:42:24 PM

[up]So delete?

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Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jan 12th 2019 at 6:59:09 AM

BrokenBase.Clarence has nothing remotely salvageable IMO

  • The show itself is this for Cartoon Network, with there so far being a total of three camps: One camp thinks that it's a decent show with funny plots and lovable (or at the very least, likable) characters, another camp thinks that the show isn't bad but still pretty forgettable, and finally, as always, you got those that disregard the show as being either bland, annoying, gross, unappealing and mean-spirited, or all five.
    • Or just whether the episodes of the first or the second half of season 1, was either better or worse on both sides.
    • The episode "Straight Illin" was seen as either funny or too gross, dark and having a bad ending.
    • Another example is "Lil Buddy", who has the fandom narrowly divided between those who liked the episode for seeing a whole new Clarence and portraying how kids would act if things like that happened to Clarence, while others say it was way out of bounds and just sickening.
    • While for "Where The Wild Chads Are", had many who criticized the episode for having Clarence, who comes as a complete jackass for ''Literally dumping money and all the eqiupment that they bought along to camp'', down the river and having to create a lame sob story to Chad about ''someone'' who stole their stuff, all for what? Just to make Chad to be more like what he described from one of his so-called action stories, This extremely had many attracted many of those who had hated Clarence in every level, which places him in The Scrappy Territory.
    • Some thought Sumo was being selfish and unreasonable in "The Break Up" and Jeff had every reason to drop him as a friend.
    • Some fans complain whether the show should stay realistic or keeping having weird episodes. Of course, you still have others who love both of kinds of episodes nonetheless.
    • Joshua's Chew Toy status is either one of the funniest RunningGags in the show or too mean-spirited and brings the quality of the episodes down.

The first point is basically general reception. Some people love the show, some people merely like it and others hate it. That's meaningless.

Pretty much the rest is knee-jerk reaction to episodes and borders on Zero-Context Example.

The ones about "Where The Wild Chads Are" and "The Break Up" are just negative reviews with no mention of the other side of the argument.

The penultimate point alludes to middle ground of the argument.

May I send it to the cut list?

Edited by Silverblade2 on Jan 12th 2019 at 4:07:22 PM

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Jan 12th 2019 at 7:04:01 AM

Cut the first two, at least.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Jan 12th 2019 at 7:04:29 AM

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Jan 12th 2019 at 7:16:07 AM

[up][up][up][up]IMO.

Edited by AnotherDuck on Jan 12th 2019 at 4:16:29 PM

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Jan 12th 2019 at 9:10:22 PM

From Batman: Bad Blood

  • Broken Base: While Batwoman's backstory is largely correct based on the comics and most fans don't have an issue with how it was presented (especially due to some of the tweaks that had to be made due to Society Marches On), other viewers have problems with a few details:
    • In the film, Kate was very nearly raped and saved only by Batman's intervention, while in the comics she was mugged and managed to fight off her attacker on her own, with Batman only showing himself afterward. Despite facing four thugs in the film as opposed to just one in the comics (although it's not uncommon for punks to brood around bars), as well as visibly not being in top shape, some viewers see this as weakening her character and possibly even making her a Damsel in Distress.
    • Kate rudely brushes off Batman when he offers her a hand up in the film, while she was more awestruck by him in the comics and accepted his help in standing. Again, some think this casts Kate in too negative a light.
    • While it doesn't make the character as timeless, many people like that she left the military under Don't Ask, Don't Tell in the comics, as it shows her choosing to embrace her identity as opposed to hiding it. The film has her have a breakdown, basically eliminating her agency in the matter.
    • Finally, Batwoman states that after her attack she decided to fight crime in order to never be a victim again, while her comic counterpart took up vigilantism as an alternative to serving in the military, an option no longer open to her at that point in her life; some see movie Batwoman's motive as being too cliche compared to her comic version.

Seems to dwell on the negative and doesn't guve an even debate. However, changes to Batwoman backstory could be put in They Change It Now It Sucks.

Edited by WhirlRX on Jan 12th 2019 at 12:10:59 PM

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Someoneman Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Jan 13th 2019 at 8:54:40 AM

A few of these sound like uncited Unfortunate Implications examples in disguise.

Pichu-kun ...
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Jan 13th 2019 at 9:11:43 AM

A lot of the Warrior Cats recap pages have off-looking Broken Base sections that'll need glancing over sometime.

Jan 14th 2019 at 3:16:56 AM

So it's been 4 days, any chance I could get a response regarding the example I brought up above? [up]x14.

Jan 14th 2019 at 7:25:01 AM

This was added to YMMV.Fate Grand Order.

Base-Breaking Character: Boudica. Due to her debut in the Septem along with her design, many fans were quick to write her off as The Scrappy, not helped by their considering her inaccurate to the real Boudica in exchange for being a Cool Big Sis, and preferring her more vicious Avenger form. Just as many fans were quick to defend her, enjoying her Cool Big Sis status with most characters, noting her personality in Septem is less inaccurate but rather a result of the writing for Septem in general, and protesting that her Fetish Retardant status only exists in her first stage, while her Avenger form is an even bigger example, looking like she came out of a BDSM dungeon. There is virtually no middle ground regarding her. The closest thing being that most can agree that she's a Tier-Induced Scrappy.

Does it do a good job of being fair on both arguments? I see it as being still close to complaing.

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erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Jan 14th 2019 at 8:14:41 AM

Fate/Grand Order player here. Boudica really is base-breaking like that.

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Jan 14th 2019 at 3:23:05 PM

Whoops, nevermind!

Edited by DipperPines on Jan 24th 2019 at 5:15:30 AM

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Jan 17th 2019 at 2:53:38 AM

So it's been a week, any chance I could get a response regarding the example I brought up above? [up]x18.

Jan 20th 2019 at 5:13:04 AM

So it's been a week and 3 days, any chance I could get a response regarding the example I brought up above? [up]x19.

Jan 20th 2019 at 6:26:58 AM

No. There is no chance. It's been a week and three days. Use your best judgment.

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Jan 20th 2019 at 11:39:03 PM

Anddrix, the examples you bring up are almost ALWAYS misuse or at least lacking context. You don't really need a second opinion to cut them. I've said this repeatedly before.

Edited by nrjxll on Jan 20th 2019 at 1:41:12 PM

Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jan 22nd 2019 at 12:09:32 AM

Absolute cut the Batman: Bad Blood examples. They're all one sided criticims.

HarpieSiren Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:04:49 AM

From Donald Duck:

  • Broken Base:
    • While his personality is generally well-liked, his distinctive voice is either charming or hard on the ears depending on who you ask.
    • Adding to this, there's a split between those who find his speech nigh-incomprehensible and those who can understand him perfectly. Not helping matters is that it often depends on which actor you're referring to, as Tony Anselmo's Donald is slightly easier to understand than Clarence Nash's Donald.

While these two statements are true they seem entirely too mild to count, it's not even really a conflict. Some people like his voice, other's don't.


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