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Condemned by History is a problem trope for many reasons. It leads to edit warring and confusion over what qualifies. In this thread we'll look for bad examples, and look for feedback. Here are the guidelines for this trope:

  1. The franchise has to be truly popular and loved at first. Things that are So Bad, It's Horrible don't count.
  2. Simply losing popularity isn't enough. We need to see an actual backlash, with liking it being considered bizarre. Otherwise, every not-so-famous film or concluded television series would be here.

Let's go!

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 16th 2024 at 4:23:01 AM

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#2276: Mar 25th 2022 at 3:31:38 PM

Mark my words, MGK will be on this page in five years

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#2277: Mar 25th 2022 at 3:51:20 PM

Maybe, but we still have to wait.

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#2278: Mar 25th 2022 at 4:03:33 PM

What's MGK?

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#2279: Mar 25th 2022 at 4:18:17 PM

Machine Gun Kelly.

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#2280: Mar 25th 2022 at 5:22:50 PM

Why is Machine Gun Kelly Condemned by History?

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#2281: Mar 25th 2022 at 10:22:57 PM

Todd in the Shadows seems to have reviewed him in his 2021 Best Songs review, after MGK changed genres, so nope.

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The_MJP Flip you Kansas City from Utah, cause nothin' bad ever happens in Utah. Since: Jul, 2020
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#2282: Mar 26th 2022 at 4:23:23 PM

Yeah but then the internet turned Right back around on him the minute "emo girl" dropped

Plus you can only make creepy comments about your fans and then sweep them under the rug for so long

Plus you know that the punk pop elder statesmen like De Longe and Armstrong are just waiting for the right time to turn on him considering how much their fabases were never on board in the firstplace

Edited by The_MJP on Mar 26th 2022 at 5:35:19 AM

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#2283: Mar 26th 2022 at 4:27:55 PM

Also Staind has pretty much lost all relevance since Aaron Lewis became a right-wing nut job and even back in the day they were regarded as a poor man's Linkin Park (and even got made fun of by Bowling for Soup) so would they count as well

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harryhenry It's either real or it's a dream Since: Jan, 2012
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#2284: Mar 26th 2022 at 6:06:45 PM

[up][up] In any case, this thread isn't for speculating on CBH examples that might happen.

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#2285: Mar 27th 2022 at 12:33:42 AM

[up][up] They haven't reached Creed or Puddle of Mudd levels of hated or mockery yet. Aaron Lewis is a whiny asshole, yes, but nobody is hating on the band or their music, just him, and he still gets coverage from places like Fox News for what it's worth, which is more than what we can say about Scott Stapp or Wes Scantlin.

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#2286: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:10:37 AM

Is the key reason disqualifying Yandere Simulator the fact that it's still technically in development? I've heard a lot of horror stories from ex-volunteers and fans about the developer and quite a few jokes made at the game's expense.

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#2287: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:51:43 PM

I would say that the game's development ought to end in some form — be it completion or an official statement of cancelation (given that we at least have demos to go off of) — before we start the 5-year waiting period.

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#2288: Apr 3rd 2022 at 5:26:52 AM

The Milli Vanilli example got removed from CondemnedByHistory.Music by ~Scifimaster 92 with the reason:

I'm pretty sure it was already decided that Milli Vanilli does not qualify, as they are now remembered in a much more sympathetic light, being seen as victims of the music industry rather than con artists.

My question is, is this the majority opinion? I think Milli Vanilli are still remembered more for being lip-synchers rather than victims of the music industry. Requesting more opinions.

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fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#2289: Apr 3rd 2022 at 12:16:01 PM

This is on Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets:

  • Condemned by History: Upon its release, the film adaptation was almost universally praised as an Even Better Sequel for its darker tone, improved effects, and better performances by the child actors compared to the first film. As the later films got even darker and improved on the other aspects, people began to see this film as more tame and repetitive of the first.

ElBuenCuate Since: Oct, 2010
#2290: Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:10:08 PM

[up]Cut it. It seems to be simply "the following sequels are even better than the better sequel". At most this would be "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny, if anything.

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#2291: Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:18:55 PM

[up][up][up] Even if the musicians themselves are viewed in a more sympathetic light nowadays, their output is still seen as an embarrassing mistake overall.

UFOYeah Since: Mar, 2022
#2292: Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:23:52 PM

[up][up]Funny you should mention that, the entry was "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny; it got changed to Condemned by History for no reason.

Scifimaster92 from Manitoba, Canada Since: Oct, 2016
#2293: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:25:54 PM

I was under the impression that it had already been decided, back when the trope was still known as Deader Than Disco, that Milli Vanilli did not qualify due to many still remembering them nostalgically despite the scandal, and that they were more an example of being Overshadowed by Controversy than anything else.

Edited by Scifimaster92 on Apr 3rd 2022 at 10:26:05 AM

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#2294: Apr 4th 2022 at 1:46:18 AM

[up][up] That needs to be reverted using this thread as a reference.

Edit: Done reverting.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Apr 4th 2022 at 7:55:13 PM

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#2295: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:41:38 AM

[up][up] When this trope went through TRS it was expanded a bit—if it was mostly loved and is now mostly hated within its niche it can now qualify.

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#2296: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:26:09 AM

Does foot binding count for the fashion category?

Edited by Akatia on Nov 22nd 2022 at 10:00:01 AM

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#2297: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:32:10 AM

[up]What the actual fuck. I don't know if that's CBH or Values Dissonance but either way that's fucked up and I sincerely hope it really isn't practiced anymore.

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#2298: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:41:36 AM

I think it's definitely (an extremely fucked up case of) Values Dissonance. I don't think it was widely accepted enough worldwide to be Condemned by History.

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#2299: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:45:12 AM

I'd go with Values Dissonance over Condemned by History too, the Qing Dynasty (who were Manchus who did not do foot binding) even made efforts to end the practice as it was alien and unwanted by them.

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#2300: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:46:47 AM

Yeah, it's not like the population that did the footbinding all suddenly changed their minds, it was generations later and a cultural shift.

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