Condemned by History cleanup thread

• Twilight is as far as universally loved as you can get. It had its fans and was popular among some demographics but had a strong Periphery Hatedom since the very begining.

• Bleach may have been very popular, but I don't feel it has such a general hatedom right now to count (this is subjective of course), I think Naruto would qualify better.

• Milly Vanilly depends; are we talking of the music or the band itself? Because as mentioned before the songs are still popular, the band is hated. So if the division can be made, I would say is an example (the band).

Like Bleach, Naruto doesn't fall under DTD and the franchise is currently continuing with the sequel series focusing on his son Boruto.

When it comes to pro wrestling, I've seen a backlash toward the Attitude Era lately. Obviously not the wrestlers involved, but the emphasis on sex, profanity and other "edginess". Would that qualify for DTD?

The point of the "near-universally loved" requirement is to avoid situations where the fans never actually turned against it, they just moved on, leaving the Periphery Hatedom as the only voices, which can make them seem louder even though general public opinion never really changed.

Which would seem to describe the situation with Twilight pretty well.

Edited by HighCrate on Sep 29th 2019 at 2:09:12 AM

I think Twilight is the opposite of DID. The hatedom has moved on so people are looking at more sympathetically, plus it's becoming nostalgic. The series also received a new book a few years ago; a genderbender solo title.

The genderswapped book was barely a blip on the radar. It didn't sell well or get that much attention.

I don't think there's much evidence to suggest people are looking at Twilight more positively. It's definitely not DTD, though, because the criticism was very present from the beginning.

Even Lindsay Ellis made a video apologizing on Stephanie for her tirade against her in the past.

YMMV.Discorded Whooves

• Deader Than Disco: Unfortunately began to rear it's ugly head in recent years: The blog was heavily popular due to it's dark storytelling and the borderline amazing artwork by Jitters, however as the fandom slowly departed from Grimdark material due to oversaturation, the blog more or less began to be forgotten aside from Jitter's fanbase. It pretty much was warrant a death sentence following Tumblr's shut down of anything NSFW/Dark on their site. That being said, the blog's own extensive issues have dragged it down as well, not helped with MLP:FIM ended it's run.

It's still being updated, the latest one being today. I'm gonna cut as it violates the first rule that any ongoing series is disqualified. Any objections?

More importantly, it only mentions falling into obscurity, not any backlash. Cut it.

Bump. This came up on the New Media folder:

• If you keep digging under the dirt beneath My Space, you'll find Website/Friendster. The very first modern social network enjoyed its moment in the sun in the early 2000s. Its creators wasted too much time considering how they could monetize and grow the site, however, and were unable to respond when My Space came along with its ability to let members customize the look of their pages^note a bug that unexpectedly became a feature. By 2010 its user base was primarily in Southeast Asia, using the site mainly for games; in 2015 it was relaunched purely as a social gaming network.

From what I know, we just simply moved to Facebook around 2009-2011, regardless of the site redesign at the time. Plus the date on when they changed to social gaming is incorrent; they changed to a social gaming platform in 2011. And the site shut down in 2015. Seeing that there wasn't any backlash around this, I'll just go on and delete it.

Just drop by to say I've remove this on the ground that there's no mention of backlash.

• The Sitcom petered out over the course of the 2010s. Many series that started in the 2000s had wrapped up by 2016 and very few were taking their place, due to streaming services offering more diverse kinds of comedy. There was also the fact that audiences were coming from various social and economic backgrounds, which meant characters who owned their own houses or lived in fancy apartments weren't as relatable as they were in previous years. Not helping matters was that the most exposed sitcoms such as Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory were also the most polarising. The 90s favourite Roseanne would make a resurgence, but was Overshadowed by Controversy and more or less faded from public consciousness once the dust settled.

I have seen no signs of the sitcom genre as a whole becoming deader than disco. Cut it.

I've noticed several examples of media referencing the death of disco specifically rather than media that is now deader than disco. Should I delete them, move them to the Disco example folder, leave them alone, or something else?

Thanks much!

Hey, fellow tropers . I've noticed some of the misuse of this is due to examples that fit my proposal for a new trope.

In a lot of older fiction, particularly in music, there seems to be a certain type of work which no longer exists due to creative mindsets shifting. This isn't Values Dissonance, since it has nothing to do with real events. Instead, creators gradually reject an older way of crafting works. Take Madonna's debut album from 1983. Almost everything in it is missing from today's pop. The lack of auto-tune, the slower, less rushed pace, etc. This is definitely a phenomenon that deserves cataloging. Maybe simply "Artistic Mindset Shift".

The new addition is questionable.

Hideous wall of text aside, the issue is that the "backlash" isn't at motion controls itself but how games rarely utilize it to fullest. The fact that there're still games with motion control being "remembered fondly" also make me think that it isn't Deader Than Disco.

Edited by Kuruni on Apr 17th 2020 at 11:54:05 PM

Ring Fit Adventure is built around motion controls, and retailers can't keep it in stock.

Not DTD.

Whether you want to say it was because games didn't utilize motion controls "properly" or not, fact is motion controls became largely detested by the end of the Wii era and developers started utilizing them less and less afterward because of that backlash and increasing unprofitability (Microsoft didn't discontinue the Kinect for nothing when it initially was going to be a requirement for their console), and the vast majority of gamers would rather just play their game on a standard controller instead of waggling a device or themselves around.

And Ring Fit Adventure doesn't debunk it, when that game is its own sort of thing with its appeal being a way to combine exercise at home with video games, rather than the purpose being controlling a standard game with your own motions.

"Motion controls are DTD when I dislike them, and not DTD when they're 'their own thing,' and they're 'their own thing' when I decide they are."

That's a circular argument.

Even ignoring Ring Fit Adventure there's also VR which is also heavily based around motion controls.

Which mean people have no problem with motion control itself as long as it's done right, and thus not DTD.

I'm not sure if motion controls really qualify, but saying they aren't Deader Than Disco because they're still used for exercise (rather than in mainstream games) is the equivalent of saying disco isn't dead because Stayin' Alive is used in CPR training.

Thing is, Ring Fit Adventure at least resembles a video game, while CPR doesn't look like a dance at all.

I was expecting people to disagree with me, but that quote is amazing out of context.