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Condemned by History is a problem trope for many reasons. It leads to edit warring and confusion over what qualifies. In this thread we'll look for bad examples, and look for feedback. Here are the guidelines for this trope:

  1. The franchise has to be truly popular and loved at first. Things that are So Bad, It's Horrible don't count.
  2. Simply losing popularity isn't enough. We need to see an actual backlash, with liking it being considered bizarre. Otherwise, every not-so-famous film or concluded television series would be here.

Let's go!

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 16th 2024 at 4:23:01 AM

Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#3801: Sep 19th 2024 at 9:06:11 AM

Would the #ChangeTheChannel Google Docs count?

Many praised at the time as exposinh out Cjannel Awesome’s horrible practices. But over th years people have argued many groveled people had with the sight were overblown or decidedly, and given the attitudes displayed by certain realtors in the years since (such as Lupa and Erod alienating and smeering Cinematic Venom over a slight, or Lewis’ reputation dwindling after his response to Oney Plays and getting mad they shut down the website earlier year and deleted his content, despite quitting 6 years) many have since argued his whole document was done for clout and out of spite not genuine concern and the mass exadous was petty

Really the only thing people still praise about the document was how it brought to light why Jew Wario was (justifiably) fired, but even the doc itself didn’t do that, that was Channel Awesome’s clumsy response and they kept quiet about the perpetrator of the SA at the victim’s request

Edited by Mariofan99 on Sep 20th 2024 at 10:37:15 AM

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#3802: Sep 19th 2024 at 9:09:34 AM

[up]You can’t really say it was done for clout when the #Changethechannel movement actually did have consequences for the abusers (that being the mass exodus and disillusionment of Channel Awesome). There were real issues with Channel Awesome that the document exposed or caused a domino effect for. Plus, I remember even the small slights being placed with major issues was criticized when the document first came out.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Sep 19th 2024 at 10:13:36 AM

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Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#3803: Sep 19th 2024 at 9:36:57 AM

[up] Regardless of its effects that can’t stop people from judging the motive behind creating it. Also this is common problem with Condemed By History has I doubt there’s any work out there that recived ZERO critism upon release

For context I don’t have much stake in this race. The only CA creators I still watch these days are Linkara (who I didn’t start watching until 2019, the year AFTER the document was released) and Dominic Noble (who is still pretty far removed from the drama given he was amongst the last batch of creators the site recruited before it imploded)

A look around the r/channelawesome subreddit seems to indicate most fans now see both sides as the wrong and felt the document was overblown and petty

Edited by Mariofan99 on Sep 19th 2024 at 12:44:17 PM

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#3804: Sep 19th 2024 at 10:08:16 AM

Not sure if it would count anyway, since it’s basically a recounting of real life events.

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#3805: Sep 19th 2024 at 10:20:57 AM

Agreed; an expose doc is very much stretching the definition of “creative work”.

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#3806: Sep 19th 2024 at 11:19:39 AM

Yeah that feels like it's stretching and on top of that would be too controversial to list as "condemned".

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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#3807: Sep 19th 2024 at 12:22:49 PM

I feel like this is more a case of Critical Backlash if anything.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#3808: Sep 19th 2024 at 1:25:47 PM

Again, since it’s not a creative work, I don’t think it would fit under that trope either.

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#3809: Sep 19th 2024 at 1:31:59 PM

I was referring to the Nostalgia Critic. At the time the show's reputation took a hit. But since then more people have defended the show, feeling that the complaints were overblown.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#3810: Sep 19th 2024 at 1:42:02 PM

I think the complaints were mostly addressed at the site’s management, with it being based less on the show and more on the real life actions of the people involved.

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#3811: Sep 19th 2024 at 2:25:49 PM

Yeah, the NC was never actually the issue. People went after Doug mainly for being an accomplice and to show their displeasure; but nobody was angry about the Nostalgia Critic specifically. If he took a hit it's for the same reason other caustic critic / Mid-Review Sketch Show type channels did, not thanks to the doc.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 19th 2024 at 5:26:57 AM

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#3812: Sep 19th 2024 at 8:04:37 PM

[up] As well as his near unanimously panned review of The Wall.

Edited by costanton11 on Sep 19th 2024 at 10:05:06 AM

Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#3813: Sep 20th 2024 at 7:22:50 AM

Would Pokémon Diamond and Pearl count? It was praised wildly upon release but it’s updated third version Platinum highlighted how flawed the base game was in performance, story. pacing and avalaibe Pokémon with how much it overhauled compared to prior third versions of the later Ultra Sun and Moon.

These days Diamond & Pearl are often derried by Pokemon fans as contenders for the worst in the series, and root of all the issues in the negatively reception 2021 Sinnoh remake is cited from using DP as a basis instead of Platinum

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#3814: Sep 20th 2024 at 7:47:15 AM

I doubt it. I thought it was the other way around with them.

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#3815: Sep 20th 2024 at 8:43:27 AM

Yeah, I swear people weren't that into gen 4 until Platinum. There were a lot of growing pains with the DS.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 20th 2024 at 11:43:37 AM

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Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#3816: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:40:07 AM

[up] I mean on the Vindicated By Histoey cleanup thread we had to cut entries for Super Paper Mario, Mario Sunshine, Luigi’s Mansion, the Game Cube Mario party games because critics at the time gave good reviews, so by that tripe’s logic shouldn’t professional reviews superseded fan reactions?

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#3817: Sep 20th 2024 at 12:42:22 PM

I was wondering if Gary Glitter could be considered, since he was well liked before the whole "Caught with CSAM" thing happened and he has since went on to abuse children himself and now nobody likes him.

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#3818: Sep 20th 2024 at 12:43:29 PM

[up][up] Eh, I have no clue what the critic scores for the games were like at the time. So it didn't even cross my mind.

[up] That's more like Role Ending Misdemeanor, Overshadowed By Controversy, or Fallen Creator; this trope isn't "people dislike someone for bad things they did"; their work has to be retroactively disliked for reasons beyond "bad person".

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 20th 2024 at 3:44:33 PM

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#3819: Sep 21st 2024 at 1:13:21 PM

[up] Looking at critic scores Diamond & Pearl got glowing reviews with many calling it a step up from Gen 3, and in general was when Pokemon was seen as “cool again” in North America. Pokémon’s popularity was at a low there during Gen 3. DP certainly was revived much better at the time the question is if it’s hated enough to apply for the trope

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#3820: Sep 21st 2024 at 2:33:15 PM

I also seem to recall DP introducing many elements and characters (Dawn, Cynthia, Lucario, Piplup, etc.) that are still a staple of the franchise to this day.

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#3821: Sep 21st 2024 at 8:22:23 PM

[up] Agreed. Can't comment too much further because I'm not as into Pokémon as I once was (and Diamond was my earliest game, so I have some nostalgia too) but AFAIK I haven't heard of backlash against D/P severe enough to potentially qualify for this trope.

I know the TRS expanded it to "mostly loved to mostly hated within its niche", but can we really say D/P are mostly hated? I think a Pokémon fan may need to weigh in here.

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#3822: Sep 21st 2024 at 8:25:14 PM

I mean, I am a Pokemon fan. Gen 4 is actually my favorite gen so I don't want to be misconstrued here; I never actually disliked D/P personally despite their glaring flaws. I just kind of always thought that it was a pretty popular opinion that the original Gen 4 games were seen as poor. Maybe not to the extent of Gen 5 (which was extremely polarizing), but still. That admittedly could just be hindsight talking, I was a child when the games came out so I wasn't really involved in the discourse.

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#3823: Sep 21st 2024 at 8:34:32 PM

[up] Oh I apologize, I didn't mean to imply you weren't a fan. I should have read more into the discussion admittedly — that one's on me.

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#3824: Sep 21st 2024 at 8:37:25 PM

Oh, you're good, lol.

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#3825: Sep 24th 2024 at 4:26:36 PM

Is there any reason why R. Kelly doesn't qualify?

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