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May 25th 2016 at 6:31:42 PM

Note: I already made a similar thread here once, but it's been abandoned for three years and I'd like to restart with a different thread title. If I did anything wrong, I'm sorry.

Many years ago, we split normal tropes from subjective Audience Reactions in order to keep this site more objective. Apparently, some tropers didn't get the memo because there are many potholes to YMMV pages on non-YMMV work and trope pages. As mentioned under Sinkhole's "Covert opinions", this shoehorning of opinions where they don't belong is bad and should be fixed if possible. However, as many Audience Reactions have thousands of links, this is too much for just one person. Therefore, I am asking for other tropers' help in eliminating these unwanted opinions.

How this works:

  1. Go to a YMMV trope's "related" tab. Go to the "Where to start" section of this post, lower down, if you want somewhere to start.
  2. Look for any work pages that are not YMMV subpages, as well as any trope that is not YMMV. If you are cleaning up a trope, double-check that there is no YMMV banner at the top of the page.
  3. Search for the offending audience reaction and make sure it should actually be removed (so make sure it's not In-Universe or Invoked).
  4. If possible, try searching for other YMMV tropes. "Moment of X" tropes are common offenders, so often, searching for "Moment" will often let you find multiple YMMV tropes in one go.
  5. If there are a lot of offending links, add a commented message at the top of the page reminding tropers to not add their opinions.
  6. If an example is worded in such a way that you'd need to reword it in order to remove the YMMV elements, but lack the knowledge about the work needed to make such a rewording, post the example here and maybe someone will help you.

Where to start

These Audience Reactions seem to be popular for opinion sinkholes. Remember to also look at the redirects and work-specific subpages if you have the time.

Fridge Brilliance, Fridge Logic, Fridge Horror, Awesome Moments, Funny Moments, Heartwarming Moments, Awesome Music, Nightmare Fuel, Tear Jerker, That One Boss, That One Level, Goddamn Bats, Demonic Spiders, Good Bad Bugs, Game-Breaker, Big-Lipped Alligator Moment.

crazyrabbits Crazyrabbits from Mississauga, ON, Canada
Crazyrabbits
Jun 4th 2016 at 9:45:34 PM

If it were up to me, I'd redlink all of the Fridge tropes. I can't tell you how often I run across these potholes on main/YMMV pages.

edited 5th Jun '16 2:14:29 AM by crazyrabbits

Jun 13th 2016 at 5:16:10 PM

It's probably safe to zap any pothole to a YMMV trope.

crazyrabbits Crazyrabbits from Mississauga, ON, Canada
Crazyrabbits
Jun 17th 2016 at 10:19:37 AM

I am aware. My point was that I'm finding that all of the Fridge tropes have become (more-or-less) a Verbal Tic.

Jul 25th 2016 at 2:37:45 PM

While cleaning up the Main.Awesome Moments redirect, I came across the Meta section of Measuring the Marigolds and I am not sure if its links to the various Moments of X qualify as In-Universe or if they should be removed.

Also, the LetsPlay.Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 has a lot of complaining tropes that I'm not sure if they should be removed, since they probably are the reactions of the people playing the game.

edited 27th Jul '16 5:10:04 PM by Someoneman

Jul 28th 2016 at 5:49:11 PM

I'm done cleaning up Main.Awesome Moments (this specific redirect), apart from the aforementioned examples which need clarification. If anybody else wants to help please do so because I'm not cleaning up the Crowning Moment Of Awesome redirect all by myself.

Dec 8th 2016 at 1:49:19 PM

It happens all the time with the Scrappy. I used the related page and discovered that there are 5,000 pages linking to the Scrappy, and nearly 2000 them are not YMMV pages. I am doing my best, but I'm only one person and I do have a life outside of this wiki, and 2000 links is a lot. If anyone has time, would they kindly chip in?

DustSnitch Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Dec 8th 2016 at 3:55:51 PM

I removed links on the pages for Metal Gear and King's Quest V and I'm going to be looking at some film pages.

The damned do not suffer torments, but live forever without the hope or light of Nicolas Cage.
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Oct 15th 2018 at 6:26:13 PM

I'm going to make deleting Crazy Awesome from non-YMMV pages a temporary project.


YMMV wicks being removed from non-YMMV pages, please see this thread for additional information.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Oct 16th 2018 at 5:26:14 PM

[up]

I've cleaned up a few wicks, but I found this mess on Brains Evil, Brawn Good that mixes in the YMMV stuff in with the main text, on top of containing bad indentation. I'm not familiar with the source material so I'm at a loss as to how to rewrite this abomination.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Oct 16th 2018 at 6:41:25 PM

Given that he's listed on Guile Hero, I'd recommend cutting the entire list for misuse. I've only read the first couple of books and even from the start he places emphasis on brains over brawn (he starts off being underpowered compared to his threats).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Oct 19th 2018 at 8:37:24 AM

I think it's not necessary to remove YMMV links from DESCRIPTIONS of tropes, as they may be useful in context. The idea of YMMV is that we cannot say for sure whether a SPECIFIC example belongs there, so IMO, YMMV links should only be removed from lists of specific examples.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Oct 19th 2018 at 9:20:32 AM

Yes, but other trope descriptions shouldn't be misuse, either. Crazy Awesome doesn't mean really awesome or really crazy.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
thatsnumberwang Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
Oct 19th 2018 at 12:06:35 PM

[up][up] Agreed, I find this whole endeavor a bit pointless to be honest. No wonder there haven't been many takers to help in the last three years.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Oct 25th 2018 at 6:06:25 AM

Main trope pages A through E done.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Oct 25th 2018 at 8:43:50 AM

I found this bit of Self Demonstrating Deadpool leakage on Faux Affably Evil

  • Yanno, I have always been Crazy Awesome, but I vary between being a Noble Demon and being Faux Affably Evil, depending on my current state of sanity/writer. When Nolan North voiced me, he played a Composite Character version, with the personality and dashing good looks of Deadpool in the main universe (in which my morality and sanity varies) and the motivation of Ultimate Marvel Deadpool (in which I am a Cape Buster and straight up villain).

Edited by Someoneman on Oct 25th 2018 at 8:44:18 AM

Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:16:51 AM

So, since here is a bit a more relevant, reposting here, instead of "Is This An Example?"


AcceptableNationalityTargets is a YMMV redirect to National Stereotypes, an index, which doesn't seem to be YMMV?

So, the entries of Acceptable Nationality Targets should be moved to their work pages, or what? Also, there might be a more specific National Stereotype that would fit them?

Edited by Malady on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:17:08 AM

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
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