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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#851: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:09:48 PM

He's President Ellis, in a probable homage to comic book writer Warren Ellis.

Obama was also mentioned in the first season of Luke Cage by way of Cottonmouth listening to a life performance of "Long Live the Chief", which references Barack Obama.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#852: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:13:35 PM

Though I remember hearing that that song was actually written about Senator Obama, and so would exist whether or not Obama became President in this universe.

You can also take those Obama and Trump references and say that maybe they ran for President in the MCU, got a lot of headlines and public exposure, but didn't end up winning the office.

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#853: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:36:52 PM

Well in Runaways, the Obama administration is definitely mentioned.

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#854: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:40:20 PM

There was also a "HOPE" poster parody in Iron Man 2.

I just assume that Obama was a one-term President in the MCU.

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#855: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:53:55 PM

Well, we know Trump became President in the MCU from dialogue. Piranha at one point talks about Mariah becoming "Black Mariah Trump" through her new fortune from the Atreus deal. Mariah laments "Now is not the time for alternative facts" when bemoaning Arturo's failed attempt to kill Luke with a Judas. And Luke's "I'm gonna make Harlem great again" when deciding to accept the club.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#856: Sep 29th 2018 at 6:23:38 PM

Weren't those slogans and phrases stuff Trump bandied about during his campaign, though? Even in a reality where he lost, they'd presumably still be well known.

Personally, I want an MCU movie to give us President Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross.

Edited by RavenWilder on Sep 29th 2018 at 6:26:20 AM

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#857: Sep 29th 2018 at 7:19:52 PM

I think the reconciliation people made was that Obama was president from 2008 to 2012 but lost re-election to Ellis, and Ellis lost re-election to Trump.

Though that would mean that either Obama or Ellis was not nominated by their own party to run for a second term, which hasn't happened since Franklin Pierce.

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#858: Sep 29th 2018 at 7:41:22 PM

I like to treat it as one of those continuity errors that happen in the comics all the time. The Netflix MCU shows take place in a slightly alternate timeline where the MetLife Building is still there instead of Stark Tower (you'd be amazed how many times I've seen people complain on some forums about the lack of Stark Tower in the Netflix shows, when it's obvious why it wasn't put innote ) and where Obama did his two terms as he did in the real world.

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#859: Sep 29th 2018 at 8:10:47 PM

[up][up] That's my take on it. My theory was that Ellis's chance to run again got ruined by the aforementioned incident where his vice-president turned out to be in league with a terrorist organization. Such a catastrophic oversight would pretty much torpedo his political career. As if that wasn't enough, the implosion of SHIELD under the HYDRA infiltration also came to light during his mandate and there was the accords. He possibly also chose to voluntarily not run again after the trauma of being kidnapped by terrorists in Iron Man 3 and nearly being blown up, so it might have been a case of "well this has been a shitshow and I'm just going to step down now."

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#860: Sep 29th 2018 at 10:42:57 PM

In that case, Ellis would be a Republican president, yes?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#861: Sep 30th 2018 at 1:19:06 AM

My theory is actually that Ellis was Obama's vice president and Obama died during his first term (sorry Obama), putting Ellis into the seat by the end of 2012 (when Ironman 3 is set).

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#862: Sep 30th 2018 at 5:59:51 AM

And my theory is that it's not meant to make any sensetongue

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#863: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:15:14 AM

that case, Ellis would be a Republican president, yes?

One presumes, but who knows, maybe the alien invasion boosted a third party somehow.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#864: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:19:39 AM

Why shouldn't he be a democrat?

When exactly was Trump mentioned as president? Must have missed that one...

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#865: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:38:22 AM

Apparently he's referenced.

I remember Cockroach using "make america great again." Forgot about the "Luke Trump" line.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#866: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:45:25 AM

Well, that only means that Trump (or someone else) run on the slogan.

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#867: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:46:17 AM

Wonder what the elections post infinity war will look like

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#868: Sep 30th 2018 at 10:50:21 AM

[up][up][up][up]If Ellis were a Democrat that would mean Obama was either removed from office, killed, or voluntarily chose not to run for re-election in 2012. That's certainly possible, but the scenario we were discussing was that Ellis was elected normally in 2012 but chose not to run for re-election in 2016. That would make him Obama's competition in 2012.

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Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 30th 2018 at 1:53:28 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#869: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:05:56 PM

[up] Ironman 3 is set in 2012 and Ellis was already in office back then. Meaning the only way this is possible is if Obama didn't finish his term for one reason or another.

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#870: Sep 30th 2018 at 4:38:05 PM

Iron Man 3 came out in 2013, which is when it was set, as far as I'm aware.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 30th 2018 at 6:13:47 AM

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#871: Sep 30th 2018 at 5:09:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]If half the human population were to disappear in an instant, society would disintegrate in a matter of days if not hours. Having democratic representation in our government wouldn't be a very high priority.

Edited by JOZeldenrust on Sep 30th 2018 at 5:11:44 AM

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#872: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:01:01 PM

Society probably pulled itself back together in some form eventually

There may be some manner of martial law though. Or maybe Steve is president like the time that happened

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#873: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:03:11 PM

By the time the Netflix shows catch up to the "Snap", it will have been resolved in Avengers 4. They're already up to November 2017 by Iron Fist season 2 (which is established by the fact that Danny is using an iPhone X).

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#874: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:04:18 PM

They could use Tony's tech and Steve's charisma to make a good run at God-Emperor of Man 2020.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 30th 2018 at 8:03:46 AM

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#875: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:26:50 PM

First potential talks of season 3. I think they'll make a renewal announcement alongside the Daredevil season 3 panel at NYCC.

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