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Mewaddlee from The American Desert Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#177901: Sep 26th 2025 at 1:37:25 PM

[up] The reason why I was confused was because Qin Shi Huang is the First Emperor of China, but I suppose that it’s more accurate to say that he was the first emperor of most of China rather than being the first emperor to rule over parts of China. I’m not very well versed in Chinese history, but IIRC, China existed as several states before being unified by Qin Shi Huang. So my thought process was that some of the Five Emperors were rulers of the states that predated the Qin Dynasty.

Edit:

This is probably dipping more into asking for a history lesson, but I’m noticing from the maps of Chinese dynasties that I’m looking at that most of them were concentrated in the eastern side of modern China than being as large as the territory that China is now. So what was going on to the west of those dynasties?

Edited by Mewaddlee on Sep 26th 2025 at 1:42:04 AM

"If brevity is the soul of wit, then I simply have no soul." He/Him 🍉
leafsaber47 Hm? Am I late? from post-apocalyptic world (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Hm? Am I late?
#177902: Sep 26th 2025 at 4:24:44 PM

Matsunaga Danjou once again someone new who's doomed to NPC hell along with Mrs. Snake.

"You can't spell 'Wario' without 'war'."
Zabilac Since: Jul, 2012
#177903: Sep 26th 2025 at 6:26:41 PM

Doesn't she have a sprite? I don't think it's too far a stretch she might be in the Part 2 banner.

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#177904: Sep 26th 2025 at 6:38:22 PM

They already showed the banner would just be Heisuke with Kondo ahead of time, she doesn't have a mirrored sprite when you fight her, nor does she have an actual NP, attack deck, or hidden Servant parameters.

flyingsnow Obsesses over fictional characters too much from In my own world Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Mewaddlee from The American Desert Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#177906: Sep 26th 2025 at 8:26:58 PM

As someone whose preference for men is twunks and hunks, it’s kind of funny watching people be disappointed over Kondo not being built like a Bear. But I guess it’s a legitimate grievance that he’s a twink rather than having a more stout body type like how historical photos indicated. Not that Fate has cared much for following historical portraits (look at Takasugi going from frog-faced to J-Pop Pretty Boy).

"If brevity is the soul of wit, then I simply have no soul." He/Him 🍉
Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#177907: Sep 26th 2025 at 9:00:31 PM

To be fair, most people are more baffled than grieved. Part of it is that we have Kondo's real life photos so we actually do know what he looks like but also Kondo just never gets portrayed as a twink. Like I've seen at least 5 Shinsengumi related media and his and Hijikata's designs tends to be the most consistent across different medias

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys
Mewaddlee from The American Desert Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#177908: Sep 26th 2025 at 9:34:08 PM

[up] About Hijikata, are we sure that he wasn't a previous identity of well-known vampire Hirohiko Araki?

"If brevity is the soul of wit, then I simply have no soul." He/Him 🍉
Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#177909: Sep 27th 2025 at 1:33:46 AM

Araki would never be a cop

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys
Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#177910: Sep 27th 2025 at 2:10:13 AM

Partial preview of Kondo's kit from today's story update.

Saber (subject to change)

QAABB deck

  • Skill 1: Invul Pierce, 20% Attack Up and Crit Up (3 turns) to self
  • Skill 2: 20% Arts/Buster Up (3 turns), Evade (2 times, 3 turns) to self

Bog standard Magic Resistance C and Riding C passives. NP is only the Extra Attack placeholder.

DTHVaren N. Tropey from The Lab Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
N. Tropey
#177911: Sep 27th 2025 at 3:32:25 AM

As for the Personal Skills, Kondo has Kotetsu BLADE A, Tennen Rishin-ryū (Kiwami) A+, and Internal Regulation Inversal.

Edited by DTHVaren on Sep 27th 2025 at 6:32:35 AM

"Another choice! Make it count. Or don't. It's all the same to me. All a part of the joke."
Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#177912: Sep 27th 2025 at 5:55:30 AM

Okay, since the event is over and the arrival of Shiki is approaching, I guess there is not much to do until the next event drops aside from focusing on my next big objective, that being gathering the materials needed to unlock the entire Archer Class-score next. Which, luckily, I'm rather well prepared for already, not using much of those to begin with now when Stheno has become my ultimate solution for any fight alongside two Ruler-Skadi's as supports.

All I really need in masse, are those Obsidian Blades and Tearstones of Blood, which I can easily farm with the Vritra-loop setup thanks to the first two waves being Casters and the third an Archer. And I'm gonna need a LOT of those tearstones so I'll consider this an opportunity to work on bond-farming with Castoria and Vritra among Stheno and Saber Medusa as well.

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#177913: Sep 27th 2025 at 6:12:24 AM

Trying to remove all the swordcops from the Throne?

Okay, let them cook.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#177915: Sep 27th 2025 at 8:59:08 AM

Well, to be fair, the Throne hired all of them without consent and their knowledge to begin with but still, trying to take them out from it without consent doesn't justify this plan either.

Just because Solomon managed to pull it off, it doesn't mean anyone can pull it off just with the help of a grail as Solomon had help from the agreement he made with the Abrahamic God regarding the ten rings in order to erase himself from the Throne. Which quite frankly, makes the Abrahamic God the strongest existence in the entire setting since not even the Throne can object to it if the demand to let a servant of God go arrives on its desk.

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
DTHVaren N. Tropey from The Lab Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
N. Tropey
#177916: Sep 27th 2025 at 10:20:07 AM

Regarding The Plan made between the three villains of GUDAGUDA9. Servant Kondo succeeds in killing Alive Kondo so the only thing left for them to do now is cram all of the captured Shinsengumi members into the Magatsu Holy Grail so they can finally excise them from existence entirely and allow Kondo to complete his ascension. As for what this "ascension" entails, Matsunaga reveals Kondo's been playing host to none other than Yasomagatsuhi. He's been acting as the vessel for the evil Divine Spirit and once the Grail's fully charged up with the erased Shinsengumi members, they'll be able to summon the Evil God fully into Kondo so he can take its power for himself... or at least that was The Plan if not for Yamanami and Shinpachi employing Talking the Monster to Death and actually succeeding in getting Kondo to hesitate at the final moment. Heisuke, who was working with Kondo and Matsunaga, gets so pissed off about Kondo getting cold feet at the very end that he literally stabs Kondo In the Back and becomes the vessel himself.

Edited by DTHVaren on Sep 27th 2025 at 1:37:41 PM

"Another choice! Make it count. Or don't. It's all the same to me. All a part of the joke."
AnotherMan Person, or Idea? from a solitary place Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Person, or Idea?
#177917: Sep 27th 2025 at 10:47:37 AM

[up]Well, nuts. Incarnating one of Japan's big evil chaos gods is pretty high up in terms of abominable villain plans. It's a good thing Gensai has a convenient Anti-Divine trait on her NP, to help slay that god like just any other man.

Mewaddlee from The American Desert Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#177918: Sep 27th 2025 at 11:21:14 AM

[up][up][up] Yahweh/Hashem/Elohim/Allah has haxx.

Edited by Mewaddlee on Sep 27th 2025 at 11:21:55 AM

"If brevity is the soul of wit, then I simply have no soul." He/Him 🍉
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#177919: Sep 27th 2025 at 11:33:06 AM

I do wish we get SOME kind of indication of what exactly the Christian God is in the context of the Nasuverse. He's clearly not a Divine Spirit in the same manner of the other gods we've seen.

Then again, I can also see Nasu refusing to elaborate on that to avoid possibly offending an entire one third of real life humanity...

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#177920: Sep 27th 2025 at 11:33:08 AM

Hieda fuckin things up even when he's not here

Bewitching Eyes
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#177921: Sep 27th 2025 at 12:05:22 PM

Hieda would look at the Gudaguda timeline and just go

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Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#177922: Sep 27th 2025 at 12:19:49 PM

@DTH Varen I don't see the point of sharing the facts of the plan without also sharing the contents of the flashbacks that explain why he's trying to make a new history where the Shinsengumi never took off. If anything, I feel like that's the most important part.

The first Kondou flashback we got was in yesterday's update. Kondou at the Shiei dojo losing to Hijikata, then later complaining to Okita that he never wins against Hijikata, and never even tries to spar against Okita because she's a tier above a normal guy like him.

Shinsengumi fiction tends to inflate Kondou's power levels because he's the leader, but historically, Kondou was never in the conversation for who was the strongest Shinsengumi, so Gudaguda's portrayal frames him as the weak leader of the powerhouses. Then today's update escalates the concept with new flashbacks.

First we get Hijikata's passionate speech about how Kondou is the best guy ever and that the team's dream is to raise him to the status of new shogun.

Then, after Hijikata begins his internal purges and persecution of teammates that don't share his pro-Kondou ideology, we get another flashback to a grunt begging Director Kondou to give a higher command to stop Vice-Director Hijikata's madness, but Kondou's reply to him is basically "Hijikata's orders are my orders, I passively trust him to decide everything, never ask me to do anything again".

Kondou is weaker than his team, so Keikenchi is portraying him as a defeatist, complacent, and thoroughly passive do-nothing broken by the weight of the pedestal people "better than him" put him at for reasons he can't begin to understand.

Historically, Kondou was arrested after the Boshin War and executed, but in the Gudaguda version he was like "Man, I'm this passive loser who does nothing other being a symbol and figurehead, and now all my friends are dying for my sake", so he turned himself in and asked for an execution in exchange for a pardon for the rest of the Shinsengumi.

This new history where Kondou dies is in Ikedaya is a history where his companions won't go crazy over giving totally undeserved success, and consequently will avoid the cruel fate they suffered in the original history.

However, the flashbacks so far have been all from Kondou's own perspective, and his control over the framing means we're completely denied from seeing any of his positives. As of where the story currently is, we're totally in the dark about what made Hijikata and Okita like the guy in the first place, and in the present time, Toudou killed the two before they were about to tell him.

Edited by Comun on Sep 27th 2025 at 12:26:56 PM

Mewaddlee from The American Desert Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#177923: Sep 27th 2025 at 1:15:38 PM

[up] So I’m assuming that Kondo is burdened with being The Team Normal who felt that he was uplifted by the Shinsengumi rather than him uplifting his compatriots. They were trying to make him into a bigger man than he actually was, and he couldn’t get why they rallied behind someone like him—to the point that Hijikata purged those who didn’t have faith in Kondo. And I guess that he feels that his compatriots placed a great weight on his shoulders, and in the process, ended up dooming themselves because they didn’t put their trust into a man who was as strong as they were. So, seeing how they suffered because he believes himself to be a weak leadernote , in wiping the Shinsengumi from the Throne of Heroes, he can lay their souls to rest rather than condemning them to forever follow the footsteps of a man who believes that his compatriots went to their end out of their misplaced allegiance to him.

Sorry if I just repeated what you said. This was just my way of trying to understand what you were saying. If I’m wrong, I’d love to be corrected.

Edit:

I just realized that I was right about who the most likely members of the Shinsengumi that we would get were. Sorry Genzaburo, you’re too late for the end of the sword cops.

Edited by Mewaddlee on Sep 27th 2025 at 1:26:49 AM

"If brevity is the soul of wit, then I simply have no soul." He/Him 🍉
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#177924: Sep 27th 2025 at 2:00:28 PM

For what it's worth, being a Heroic Spirit is a fancy way of saying you're a mildly to severely brainwashed hitman slave.

Edited by Arha on Sep 27th 2025 at 4:00:42 AM

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#177925: Sep 27th 2025 at 3:10:05 PM

When you go through life calling yourself a Servant odds are there's something deeply wrong with you.

Ditto calling yourself a Master, in all fairness.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Sep 27th 2025 at 6:10:57 AM

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.

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