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SCMof2814 Damn My Yuri Charisma! from Center of Madness, 2814 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
Damn My Yuri Charisma!
May 4th 2016 at 4:26:28 AM

Besides, in his legend, Beowulf explicitly breaks the damned thing.

Rule of thumb dude. The better the artwork, the higher the stats. The waifus have among the best artwork…

edited 4th May '16 4:27:41 AM by SCMof2814

PLEASE STOP GIVING IMAGINARY CHARACTERS THE LEGAL STATUS OF REAL PEOPLE AND APPLYING LAWS TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT AND THEY DON'T.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
May 4th 2016 at 4:34:18 AM

Actual Rule Of Thumb:

The less expectedly broken the servant is, the more actually broken the servant will be. Okita was supposed to be shit tier. She's STILL top tier, even accounting for the power creep. Jack the Stripper is supposed to be shit tier. Not only is she the best assassin in the game, she's flat out broken too (to the point that Solo Jack + Limit Broken Imaginary Around = Maria the Ripper every turn). Everyone thought the lesbian pirates would be meh. They're amazing if you know how to abuse them.

However, it's not waifuness that makes them OP. Saber Lily is a Waifu, and she's the worst 4 star servant in the game. No joke, she has shit for attack, her skills don't really make up for it (her Prana Burst is weak, Blossoming Journey doesn't do nearly enough to make up for it).

But generally, the females tend to be major badasses, but when a male SSR gets released, they tend to be fucking broken.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
May 4th 2016 at 4:45:34 AM

[up]That varies a lot. Especially with Archers, all three 5* guys have some pretty dumb design flaws (Tesla's one attack buff is luck-based for god knows what reason, Arjuna has the same "3 Arts cards Buster NP" problem as Emiya though unlike him he at least has an attack buff that actually works on it, and Gil was released really early and got powercreeped to hell and back until that recent buff). Then there's the good ones, like Karna or Iskandar, and the oh my god who thought this was balanced ones like Waver or Kintoki.

edited 4th May '16 4:46:02 AM by ExeloMinish

Classifiedzerogoki from Canada Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
May 4th 2016 at 1:09:01 PM

My ID is 663,814,804. Of the servants I have, I like Carmilla the most.

"Strategy? Spacing? I just keep punching until I hit something." - Sol Badguy
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
May 4th 2016 at 2:25:14 PM

Tesla is fucking broken as a boss though.

No male SSR is in the 'mediocre' pool, and I don't think any of them qualifies as a niche servant.

Incidentally, having 3 arts cards doesn't hurt Arjuna because it means more Arts cards to charge your NP. Sure, it means he can't do NPBB chains, but then again, that's not what you want him for. That's what you want Kintoki for.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
May 4th 2016 at 2:41:31 PM

My FC is 346,107,887 - I currently have a completely maxed Mashu, Atilla, Atalanta, a shitty Leonidas, Iskandar (why game why did you give me him I didn't even want him I was rolling for EMIY Assassin), Iri, Shiki, and Vlad as my Supports.

Leonidas is level 37 and likely to stay that way (seriously I have no good Lancers - well I mean I have Cu, I just haven't felt the need to raise him), Iri's almost max level, and Iskandar and Vlad are both in the slow process of being leveled (once I finish Iri I'll focus on Iskandar first). Mashu will probably be switched out for someone else once the event ends, not sure who. Maybe Caster!Liz or Kiyohime.

pblades Serving Crits from Chaldea
Serving Crits
May 4th 2016 at 2:45:38 PM

So, Shiki is a Servant, huh. I think her appearances exceeds Saber in quantity, if not variations, now. Wonder if they'd ever do a Tsukihime-theme cross?

"The literal meaning of life is whatever you're doing that prevents you from killing yourself." Albert Camus
doineedaname from Eastern US
May 4th 2016 at 3:13:58 PM

[up] IIRC Nasu said she technically isn't, she's just one until Chaldea fixes everything.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
May 4th 2016 at 3:49:49 PM

Shiki won't just suddenly stop being a Servant just because Chaldea fixes time. After all, the Throne of Heroes exists outside of time.

Anyway... I should probably post my FC. But I'm lazy.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
SCMof2814 Damn My Yuri Charisma! from Center of Madness, 2814 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
Damn My Yuri Charisma!
May 4th 2016 at 3:55:26 PM

BTW, what's the difference between the two Quartz grand summon pages? I understand the one you're brought to first is the one with event servants, but what about the other one? Because I'm praying to get Murderloli (or even a Saber besides Gilles!) and I want to know which side is best for that.

edited 4th May '16 3:55:56 PM by SCMof2814

PLEASE STOP GIVING IMAGINARY CHARACTERS THE LEGAL STATUS OF REAL PEOPLE AND APPLYING LAWS TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT AND THEY DON'T.
May 4th 2016 at 3:56:39 PM

[up][up]It's something like the world's dead and burned but she's dreaming, and as long as she continues to dream she still exists, but if the dream were to end and she were to wake up, then she'd find herself dead.

It's weird and confusing and bullshit, but that's Nasu for you.

SCMof2814 Damn My Yuri Charisma! from Center of Madness, 2814 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
Damn My Yuri Charisma!
May 4th 2016 at 4:09:35 PM

Analysis: Assassin Emiya is actually a pretty decent Servant... if he were a 3. As a 4, he's a bit weak, and in my opinion doesn't produce enough stars. Plus that skill of his that gives others debuffs sucks. It's theoretically best to use it when others are going to die anyway in the next turn, but in practice, he tends to die very easily.

Before I got Iri and El Melloi, my top 3 casters numerically were Medea, Gilles (who's a bit of a weakling for his level) and Paracelsus, who was underwhelming. Which is why I usually dumped him for the technically weaker but more useful Caster Cu (his NP has burning, which is useful, since, poor Cu, he is often killed after I finally manage to use it, though not so much since he got Protection From Arrows).

BTW, quick poll: in your experience between Mordred, Arturia, and Attila, who tends to produce the most stars? Souji is best Servant for that (And Mysterious Heroine X too, if she wasn't a damned Assassin), but I need a second best if she doesn't show up in my support list.

PLEASE STOP GIVING IMAGINARY CHARACTERS THE LEGAL STATUS OF REAL PEOPLE AND APPLYING LAWS TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT AND THEY DON'T.
May 4th 2016 at 4:21:12 PM

Between those three? They're all pretty much even - Mordred and Arturia (assuming you mean Saber Blue) both have a 10% stargen rate, while Atilla has a 10.1%. Mordred has an extra hit on her Arts and Extra cards as compared to those other two, but while Mordred's version of Instinct gives one less star as compared to the other two's version, Atilla's Crown of Stars also has an Attack buff in addition to the stars.

Basically they're all pretty much even, do whatever one you want. Alternatively, why are you looking for a Saber to make stars? Go find an Assassin for that.

edited 4th May '16 4:21:54 PM by Krika

SCMof2814 Damn My Yuri Charisma! from Center of Madness, 2814 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
Damn My Yuri Charisma!
May 4th 2016 at 4:26:49 PM

Because sometimes, giving a Saber enough stars so that their buster goes critical is the difference between winning the boss fight and having to wait 3 hours 20 minutes for enough AP to try again. As the only Saber I have is the most pathetic example of the Class (DAMN IT GILLES!) and I have to blast through 3 all-lancer waves to get to Iris, every little bit counts. The Assassins I'm planning to fill the team with in lieu of Sabers does decent damage, especially when you get the stars falling, but they die pretty easily. Also, Souji might not be there when my AP is filled up, and I needed to know who'd make a decent replacement, since they'd be the only Saber in my lineup (yes, Gilles is SO BAD I'd rather not have him in my team).

PLEASE STOP GIVING IMAGINARY CHARACTERS THE LEGAL STATUS OF REAL PEOPLE AND APPLYING LAWS TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT AND THEY DON'T.
May 4th 2016 at 4:30:34 PM

I agree that Gilles is bad, but if you don't see Okita on the line-up, go do a 2/3 AP free quest in Fuyuki and see if she shows up again - it's a 10/15 minute wait to get the AP back anyway? Or blow a Bronze apple maybe.

The point is that if you're looking for a saber to generate stars, look for one that has a star-generating CE on them, that'll be the most reliable outside of the bullshit that is Okita.

Nouct internally_screaming.exe from No longer in the superior time zone Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
internally_screaming.exe
May 4th 2016 at 4:32:31 PM

The difference between the two Quartz gachas is that one of them (the one with Saber, Tamamo, Bathory and Hector in the display) is the story gacha where you can roll all the Servants that are only unlocked once you beat a chapter, i.e. Nero, Saber Alter, Tesla, Edison, Medea Lily and the other is the event gacha where you can get event Craft essences and limited Servants like Iskander and event Servants that haven't been added to the regular gachas yet like Assassin!EMIYA and Hundred-Faced Hassan.

So if you're rolling for Jack, it's probably better to just roll the event gacha since she's not story-locked and it's not as clogged as the story gacha in terms of gold Servants you can roll.

Also in my experience, Mordred's the best for generating stars out of the three but Artoria's update might have changed things, I'd need to compare the two to definitively say which Saber is the best.

edited 4th May '16 4:35:44 PM by Nouct

Moving forward, bit by bit
May 4th 2016 at 4:36:43 PM

Arturia's update changed literally nothing mechanical about her - it's just her animations that got an upgrade.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
May 4th 2016 at 4:42:01 PM

Shiki's state right now has to do with the fact that, y'know, the world has ended around her, and her 'dream' is basically her not realizing that she's dead.

Also, the only Saber who has decent Star Generation is Okita. You really shouldn't look for a Saber to generate stars. Also, all servants die really easily without a dedicated healer.

Between the ones you gave, the 'best' one for star generation is Mordred simply because of the larger amount of hits in any given Brave Chain. Artoria comes second. Attila is the 'worst' in terms of Star Generation. Altera, however, and yeah that's her name, does have the advantage of hitting significantly harder than either of them.

However, all three of them are simply not going to generate enough stars to make them useful. It's the downside of having a single Quick card on top of having low stargen.

A level 90 Okita should be able to beat that quest on her own, provided you've got one or two meatshields to draw fire. You've got Kiritsugu, he can put taunt on people. Unfortunately, you haven't made it to London, where Matthew would get her own Taunt. But if you've got George, put him on the line to Taunt, so you can keep Okita alive for longer. A NPQQ chain should one-turn-kill Lancer Iri.

[up]Actually, there was one mechanical change, she got one more hit in her Quick. That actually makes a noticeable difference in terms of star generation, but of course, it means nothing in the face of Okita's 5 hit Quicks, and that's not even getting into the absurd, like Jack the Stripper's ability to get ~50 stars in a QQQ chain.

edited 4th May '16 4:45:24 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
SCMof2814 Damn My Yuri Charisma! from Center of Madness, 2814 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
Damn My Yuri Charisma!
May 4th 2016 at 4:45:22 PM

I'm fairly sure I can kill Lancer Irir. It's HER meatshields I'm worried about.

PLEASE STOP GIVING IMAGINARY CHARACTERS THE LEGAL STATUS OF REAL PEOPLE AND APPLYING LAWS TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT AND THEY DON'T.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
May 4th 2016 at 4:48:27 PM

Pfft, dude, they're Lancer enemies. That quest is 100% lancers.

Just take a Support Okita. I wouldn't bet on the chances of Void Shiki insta-killing them. She's good at that (and hilariously enough, Hassan with 500% overcharge plus Assassin and Void Shiki's debuffs might make insta-killing bosses actually possible), but her NP doesn't deal all that much damage.

I think my Artoria killed them all more often than not, though that was with Jeanne Alter's level 6 Dragon Witch.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
May 4th 2016 at 4:54:05 PM

[up]I'd use 500% overcharge Shiki instead, she's got a higher death chance.

Also, [up][up][up] huh, really? Didn't realize she got an extra hit there. That's cool.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
May 4th 2016 at 4:58:22 PM

For some reason, I completely forgot that Shiki's instakill chance is upgraded with Overcharge too. She's even Arts-based, so she's significantly easier to get to 300% NP to start off with. Plus NP Gen skill 'n all.

edited 4th May '16 4:59:02 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
May 4th 2016 at 7:34:43 PM

So a Servant's stats can get a buff or upgrade during an update right?

Nouct internally_screaming.exe from No longer in the superior time zone Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
internally_screaming.exe
May 4th 2016 at 7:35:47 PM

You boost stats by feeding Fou cards into them, interludes are for upgrading skills and NPs.

EDIT: I might've misread your question, are you referring to updates for the game itself or Servant Ascension?

edited 4th May '16 7:38:43 PM by Nouct

Moving forward, bit by bit
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
May 4th 2016 at 7:39:36 PM

Well I mean like uh so Gilgamesh apparently had low stats I heard & so the recent update gave him a big stat-boost. So can an update give a Servant better stats than what they had before?

[up] So yeah I meant updates.

edited 4th May '16 7:40:07 PM by slimcoder


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