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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#71601: Aug 5th 2020 at 7:16:57 PM

Yeah Nero and Liz are base breakers.

Edited by Pokesamus on Aug 5th 2020 at 7:17:19 AM

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#71602: Aug 5th 2020 at 7:36:52 PM

I think BBC need to he main characters though.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#71603: Aug 5th 2020 at 7:42:53 PM

Nope importance has nothing to do with it.

raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#71604: Aug 5th 2020 at 7:43:08 PM

Reading on the trope page, for a character to be a BBC he or she needs to be hated by a large amount of people and more or less loved that same amount persons.

Given how Nero and Liz have been shifted away from the spotlight, maybe they don’t count anymore.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#71605: Aug 5th 2020 at 7:51:10 PM

Considering how incredibly big the roster is now and what’s done in exposure

It’s not so clear cut to tell

You’ll definitely have your personal hated but does that mean it’s a meaningful fit for what you’re trying to assign to it

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#71606: Aug 5th 2020 at 7:55:14 PM

Then add in how it could be conflated with Americans Hate Tingle etc. and you have a recipe for utter confusion.

SpectralTime Since: Apr, 2009
#71607: Aug 5th 2020 at 8:40:22 PM

For what it's worth, as the author of the entries in question, I've received the feedback that they leaned far too closely into my own personal interpretation and were not fair to the other side, a state of affairs I actually hoped to avoid. Whatever else happens, if the entry stays, I feel that someone else should edit them to be more even-handed, since I no longer trust myself to do so properly.

VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#71608: Aug 5th 2020 at 8:45:19 PM

While I’d like to meme about Medb, I’m pretty okay with her as a Servant. It’s just hilarious that she shares the same voice actress with Musashi and Chiyome.

[DATA LOST]
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#71609: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:02:57 PM

Nero i would consider Base Breaking considering her roles in Septem and Extella, two entries where her getting too much focus and her actions getting incredibly whitewashed are targets of major criticisms for both.

On top of people criticizing her omnipresence in Fate media, I wouldn't be surprised if some people considered her The Scrappy for themselves.

taking that into consideration, i could consider Nero a base breaking character...

if it weren't for the fact that, she really isnt? you dont really see hate-filled rants because someone else dared to like Nero, or that someone else dared to criticize Nero, and that person gets hated on.

like, if you like Nero, people kinda roll their eyes and say of course, and if you don't people roll their eyes and say of course, there really isnt much for her to be base breaking because, well, they kinda removed the problematic elements that could possibly lead to that cant have your perfect waifu be tainted by, gasp, moral ambiguity and having flaws

and if Nero isnt a base breaking character, Elizabeth definitely isnt, because at worst she had a few events dedicated to her that were mostly her being bullied

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#71610: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:08:47 PM

See, the problem is that that very same whitewashing is what lead so many people to dislike her in the first place, back when we had only EXTRA and CCC, aside from grumblings about the gender flip people we're pretty okay with her.

deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#71611: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:17:19 PM

Nobody in this actually fits as a Base Breaking Character. They don't meet the criteria that was setup when they started cleaning the entries up.

As Bleye said, you might get an eyeroll but you won't get vitriol if you discuss either character.

Edited by deludedmusings on Aug 6th 2020 at 2:21:02 AM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#71612: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:32:51 PM

I think the only character that at some point did fit that was Sieg before he actually got given a personality in GO. So we're doing well. [lol]

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#71613: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:36:41 PM

[up] Who the hell liked Sieg before FGO?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#71614: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:38:57 PM

The same people who I saw claiming that Apocrypha is the best written and best animated entry in the franchise? People who enjoy power fantasies? Really lazy yaoi fans?

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71616: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:52:21 PM

Let's not pretend like these people aren't any better than people think that about Zero

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#71617: Aug 5th 2020 at 9:54:28 PM

That is the most ambiguous possible sentence.

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#71618: Aug 5th 2020 at 11:35:08 PM

In regards to Medb- I've always known she was an awful person but I was mostly indifferent to her in the past because I found her uninteresting. My beef with her now was that rigged beauty contest, that one actually offended me and now I want Ushi to beat her black and blue.

In regards to Sieg- while he's 1000x cuter in the game, I actually still found him a bit cute in apocrypha and it was interesting to see him emote more and more as more episodes passed by.

Edited by Mami on Aug 5th 2020 at 7:40:51 PM

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#71619: Aug 5th 2020 at 11:49:39 PM

If only his entire survival did not hinge upon a plot hole, and the correct character was treated as a love interest. tongue

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#71620: Aug 5th 2020 at 11:56:04 PM

Oh, his romance with Jeanne is definitely awful and it would have been much better if they focused more on his growing attachment to her rather than turn her into a blushing school girl with weird angst. I've never been so whelmed by a mindbreak scene in my life, even basic ass doujins can do better.

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#71621: Aug 6th 2020 at 12:02:54 AM

Somehow they accidentally made the yaoi option a far better written romance. [lol]

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#71622: Aug 6th 2020 at 1:03:54 AM

Bit of an odd question but if the game was to suddenly be working with only one artstyle, which FGO artist would you pick?

My answer is Hidari because Hidari is valid

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#71623: Aug 6th 2020 at 1:31:16 AM

Pako

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys
Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#71625: Aug 6th 2020 at 2:01:06 AM

Raikou NP upgrade as confirmed by datamining (so yeah Caster Gil NP upgrade is a lock-in now) and Darius skill upgrade.

EDIT: Raikou and Darius upgrade descriptions

Edited by Nouct on Aug 6th 2020 at 2:09:21 AM


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