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My current theory is that Holmes may have good intentions, but the circumstances of his summoning and/or whatever summoned him/the entity mixed with him means they can't be fully aligned with Chaldea.
Edited by Nouct on Jun 30th 2020 at 4:00:22 AM
What if Holmes is a reverse-Mash?
And is actually Marisbury Animusphere, using Holmes as a vessel?
Edited by TitanJump on Jun 30th 2020 at 1:31:18 PM
sigurd interlude gave me happy feelings
Hilariously, it was Holmes who planted that idea in our heads.
But yea, Holmes is shady as fuck but there's no reason as of right now to suspect he'll turn on Chaldea. There might be a scenario later that puts us against each other, but y'all at grasping at straws right now.
Okay, to throw my hat into this: Holmes is working for something shady, but he himself is not aware of it himself. Or at least he is sort of aware of it, but he does not have enough info to just say what he is doing. I want to believe that he is saying the truth when he says Helena that he has no idea who summoned him and Holmes teds to not to give out baseless speculations. The only thing he can do is assume he is doing the right thing and hope that he is not wrong unless something comes up that contradicts his speculation.
Of course the question is WHO summoned him in the first place? Foreign God? It could make sense in Part 2, but I really can't see why he would be around after that. The Foreign Priestess can destroy the Trees of Emptiness if they so choose, so just getting rid off the extra Lostbelts really makes no sense. The Counter Force? Maybe makes more sense but what exactly makes him so shady in that situation I don't know unless the World has it out for us.
We are technically commit mass genocide across the world. That does sound like the Counter force would intervene at some point.
But we were mass genocied first, and the CF keeps throwing things to help us, so that does not compute.
Hmm, my only real though is that it's probably not as obvious and simple as it currently appears. I'd honestly be kind of disappointed if it is.
That's the thing, right: If getting rid of the Lostbelts was a bad thing, why are there Servants being summoned to get rid of them?
Right, the World itself is still fighting.
I do think Rebel is right and Holmes saying we are morally right is a red flag.
Edited by deludedmusings on Jun 30th 2020 at 10:22:37 PM
Reminder that the Counter Force isn’t exactly a paragon of good. As Emiya learned the hard way. It’s trying to protect humanity, specifically it’s humanity by any means necessary
Yes, but apparently us getting rid of Lostbelts is seen as a good thing according to it. So it isn't working against us, as Yakuza thinks it should be doing. Unless CF is really bad at giving mission statements, but after like QIN, you think it would directly step in.
While we're at it, here's something that Skadi said:
I feel like that could go against the idea that Holmes is a Counter Guardian since surely she would have noticed something like that, right? Surtr noticed something being wrong with Holmes, so she herself would have caught onto something.
Edited by TPPR10 on Jun 30th 2020 at 3:23:11 PM
Yeah, the entire reason the Lostbelts are what they are is that they’re historical dead ends where humanity can no longer progress. None of them had any chance of really being the new Proper Human History.
I mean they can get forced to advance again but only with outside intervention.
There's something darkly hilarious about how humanity becoming furries is a historical dead end.
It's what they deserve.
Love how we keep calling Yakuzu "Yakuza", I keep imagining him wearing a gaudy suit and carrying a katana around.
Well, does he scream "Kiryu-chaaaan" and/or sing Baka Mitai in his spare time?
I mean, it's dark, but destroying the Lostbelts is the right thing because they're by definition doomed. It's just hurrying up the inevitable to try and get a better solution.
Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 30th 2020 at 2:16:22 PM
I mean we could just fix the issues plaguing them. Like near the end of LB 2 where without Sutr being a giant drain to Skadi she could actually get the lostbelt to move forward again
The issue plaguing them is that they're doomed and it's a dead end. "Fixing" whatever issue is most apparent won't help. Particularly as the problems get more fundamental.
Anyway, there's more than enough reason by LB 5.2 to conclude that we are, in fact, on the right side.
And the Russian Lostbelt ruled by Anastasia, China and India after their rulers got their character development, or how things would turn out if Kirsch's plan worked out. All Crypters are, in theory, working to properly undoom their worlds. Sadly, Kadoc and Kirsch were the only ones doing it in practice.
Edited by Comun on Jun 30th 2020 at 9:24:22 AM
Could the "Trees of Emptiness" be used as a way to undo the Bleaching by recreating PHH within one, using the Throne's records, and have it "branch off" where the Bleaching was supposed to occur in the first place, making it an alternate history without a Dead End ahead of it or the world being Bleached at all?
And if the Alien God is gone, would a Tree of Emptiness actually be a threat without that entity?
And once that Tree has spread over the world and replaced the Bleached one, wouldn't the situation be solved then?
Besides the giant world-tree that now occupies it, of course.
Of course, I suspect there would be problems even with this potential solution, but would they be worse than the current situation, I ask?
Hence why it's sending in Servants from the PHH-timeline in order to assist us in pruning these doomed Lostbelts?
Edited by TitanJump on Jun 30th 2020 at 3:29:19 PM
Who actually decides that Lostbelts are lost cause?
X4 They’re a dead end because of the factors in the Lostbelt lead them to a dead end with only the parts of the Lostbelt within them, they can’t do anything, with stuff from the outside influencing them then the Lostbelt can be saved..... if we ever decided to quite commuting genocide. Hell its not even that they’re doomed it’s just they aren’t moving forward, and progress overrides actual quality in the Counter Force’s eyes.
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