Well it does what a good page-topper is supposed to do: make no sense for people that are not following the conversation .
Anyway, a lot of the Gods are Evil tropes is simply because we live in a far more skeptic age, and the portrayal of deities represents a more "primitive" version of our society that humanity must overcome to truly advance.
Which I personally find it to be bullshit, as humanity hasn't really evolved from back then, we just have a lot more fetters, but this isn't really the place for these discussions.
If I ever write something, I'll make a point of using the God Is Good trope because I'm also tired of that sort of portrayal.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.Gods can be good and evil. Its all based on the version.
SMT for example runs God Is Good ala the Sentient Cosmic Force ala Brahman and the Monad and God Is Evil ala the Abrahamic God because All Myths Are True. And Gnosticism has a lot to say about how much of a Cosmic Sadist YHVH/Demiruge/Yaldyboats is.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 16th 2018 at 12:57:12 PM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Only the more recent ones. In the first game, the neutral route is considered the best because it frees humanity of the influence of the supernatural, and is represented by Stephen Hawking, rightfully considered by many as a modern icon of science.
So if anything, the games originally fit the interpretation I put forward better than most. As the series went on, however, YHWH started to take his place as the oppressive figure of authority, while Lucifer became the representation of "sticking it to The Man, man!"
The Gnoticism angle was added later mostly to try and make sense of all the different portrayals of YHWH and Lucifer that starting popping up in later games, as they are supposed to be all the same dude in multiple realities, Living Tribunal style. A giant Retcon, really, in part to avoid all the controversies that could happen as the series gained a foothold in the West.
Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 16th 2018 at 7:06:03 AM
YHVH was a malevolent entity even in the series spiritual prequel Megami Tensei. He nuked the world with Satan and Pazuzu by his side out of jealously cause people were worshipping Lucifer for not being as much of a dick as Himself. So His response was throw a tantrum about how He's right by killing them all for not worshipping Him.
And the Gnostic angle was always there, they just didn't elaborate on it. NINE where they flat out say the Goddess from SMTII Credits was Sophia as she flew around and the connection between Demiurge and YHVH being One and The Same.
God was always meant to be a dick. Even in I.
But this isn't a where was God a dick game(He always was) but a "Hmm those Gnostic guys sure thought God was a dick!"
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 16th 2018 at 3:18:55 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.I wasn't arguing that God wasn't a dick in I, but that every supernatural creature was a dick back then.
And there are games where Lucifer is also a dick, like in I and Nocturne. A very charismatic dick, but still a dick.
Edit: Also, I stand corrected: Altera saying "Ho ho ho, I'm Santa!" is just heartmelting.
Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 16th 2018 at 8:26:56 AM
Unrelated, but there's an Anime NYC Localization panel and someone streamed the whole thing to catch questions, updates, announcements, and Qo L.
EDIT: Oh, and we get a grand total of... 3 SQ from the panel.
Edited by erazor0707 on Nov 16th 2018 at 4:20:49 AM
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.Honestly if they make it like 'The Abrahamic God is Evil', I can just chalk it up with 'Eh, they're more likely basing it on Gnosticism'. Which could be pretty OK.
But I still want a story when humans went gung-ho with "Gods are dicks, let us fucking rebel!!", only to find out that it was just a widespread propaganda made by some men, the Gods are actually cool, if flawed dudes... And mankind had to accept that they are flawed, and moved forward, leaving the Gods alone, who were content in leaving the age for men.
As of Historical Villains instead of Gods... well I think Nioh hit right on the spot. They hyped up Nobunaga to be a bit closer to be the Onimusha-style, but then was like "Oh fuck YOU necromancer, I have no interest to be a megalomaniacal overlord again. I'm going home." and was also shown that he also exhibited honorable traits aside of being a megalomaniacal overlord in his life.
Edited by ChrisX on Nov 16th 2018 at 7:27:05 PM
should've added Parvati too. It's not like she shows up in anything.
Secret SignatureAfter this year plz and ty.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.So they just added Arthur and Merlin into Smite. Different design, but still...
It makes me wonder if there will be other mythological figures that has appeared in FGO, making appearance in Smite as well. Gilgamesh maybe?
MOBA's should be wiped from existence.
There, I said it.
Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 16th 2018 at 11:05:24 AM
Moba will never die.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Pretty spiffy image of where each Servant came from◊.
Then my fight shall continue forevermore!*Heroic Pose*
... Holy cow, Africa and South America are so barren on that list.
Edited by erazor0707 on Nov 16th 2018 at 6:28:12 AM
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.Speaking of which, call it an unfounded fear but I'm not sure how would Type-Moon manage historical characters post-Conquista, mostly because the cultural identity of the Latin American region is heavy on mestizage (miscegenation) while Japan is not keen on that, at all.
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@Muffins
With Warcraft 3 Reforged, I expect MOB As to have a revitalization.
Edited by raziel365 on Nov 16th 2018 at 6:58:26 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.I wouldn't call it an unfounded fear when this is the company that said Emiya Alter is basically "Emiya in prison".
Don't catch you slippin' now.I laughed at calling Emiya Alter Bob but when I learned about the origins of Demiya being Detroit Emiya for certain reasons
Thatβs bad. Sasaki Shounen can do better than that and really the design team shouldnβt have approved it
Hey, we get another Thanksgiving banner, featuring Gil, Shishou, Ilya, Saber Shiki, Mama Raikou, Shuten, Broskandar...
.... Well, shit.
What are the chances of New Year and Musashi?
(Me, I won't get it. I know I am trying to save for Okita and Hijikata. If these Thanksgiving banner come, then let it be on New Year Banner)
Edited by ChrisX on Nov 16th 2018 at 11:58:02 PM
Anyone knows when is Mordred in rate-up again?
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.Uh, probably Valentines?
I don't know if this was brought up already, but speaking of Mordred, Kachi Kirby finally got her in the gacha. Please congratulate her if you haven't already.
The storm has now resided, the wolf now rests.Hmmm, looking at Muffin's map, I see that Malesia and Indochina are just as empty as Africa and Sout America. Anyone knows about reagons and their legendary figures?
I would accept the Canon Welding that Ares used to be weaker than Athena and went to the Italian Peninsula to level grind until he was at her level, at which point the romans began to call him Mars and he used both names to denote his change much like Athena is sometimes called Palas Athena.
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How is that for a top-pagger?
Edited by raziel365 on Nov 16th 2018 at 8:15:49 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.