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raziel365 Anka Aquila from The Far West Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#28051: Nov 16th 2018 at 8:13:51 AM

I would accept the Canon Welding that Ares used to be weaker than Athena and went to the Italian Peninsula to level grind until he was at her level, at which point the romans began to call him Mars and he used both names to denote his change much like Athena is sometimes called Palas Athena.

Edit:

How is that for a top-pagger?

Edited by raziel365 on Nov 16th 2018 at 8:15:49 AM

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#28052: Nov 16th 2018 at 8:26:30 AM

Well it does what a good page-topper is supposed to do: make no sense for people that are not following the conversation tongue.

Anyway, a lot of the Gods are Evil tropes is simply because we live in a far more skeptic age, and the portrayal of deities represents a more "primitive" version of our society that humanity must overcome to truly advance.

Which I personally find it to be bullshit, as humanity hasn't really evolved from back then, we just have a lot more fetters, but this isn't really the place for these discussions.

raziel365 Anka Aquila from The Far West Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#28053: Nov 16th 2018 at 8:31:21 AM

[up]

If I ever write something, I'll make a point of using the God Is Good trope because I'm also tired of that sort of portrayal.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#28054: Nov 16th 2018 at 12:56:41 PM

Gods can be good and evil. Its all based on the version.

SMT for example runs God Is Good ala the Sentient Cosmic Force ala Brahman and the Monad and God Is Evil ala the Abrahamic God because All Myths Are True. And Gnosticism has a lot to say about how much of a Cosmic Sadist YHVH/Demiruge/Yaldyboats is.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 16th 2018 at 12:57:12 PM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#28055: Nov 16th 2018 at 2:04:04 PM

Only the more recent ones. In the first game, the neutral route is considered the best because it frees humanity of the influence of the supernatural, and is represented by Stephen Hawking, rightfully considered by many as a modern icon of science.

So if anything, the games originally fit the interpretation I put forward better than most. As the series went on, however, YHWH started to take his place as the oppressive figure of authority, while Lucifer became the representation of "sticking it to The Man, man!"

The Gnoticism angle was added later mostly to try and make sense of all the different portrayals of YHWH and Lucifer that starting popping up in later games, as they are supposed to be all the same dude in multiple realities, Living Tribunal style. A giant Retcon, really, in part to avoid all the controversies that could happen as the series gained a foothold in the West.

Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 16th 2018 at 7:06:03 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#28056: Nov 16th 2018 at 3:14:00 PM

YHVH was a malevolent entity even in the series spiritual prequel Megami Tensei. He nuked the world with Satan and Pazuzu by his side out of jealously cause people were worshipping Lucifer for not being as much of a dick as Himself. So His response was throw a tantrum about how He's right by killing them all for not worshipping Him.

And the Gnostic angle was always there, they just didn't elaborate on it. NINE where they flat out say the Goddess from SMTII Credits was Sophia as she flew around and the connection between Demiurge and YHVH being One and The Same.

God was always meant to be a dick. Even in I.

But this isn't a where was God a dick game(He always was) but a "Hmm those Gnostic guys sure thought God was a dick!"

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 16th 2018 at 3:18:55 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#28057: Nov 16th 2018 at 3:24:22 PM

I wasn't arguing that God wasn't a dick in I, but that every supernatural creature was a dick back then.

And there are games where Lucifer is also a dick, like in I and Nocturne. A very charismatic dick, but still a dick.

Edit: Also, I stand corrected: Altera saying "Ho ho ho, I'm Santa!" is just heartmelting.

Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 16th 2018 at 8:26:56 AM

erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#28058: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:13:03 PM

Unrelated, but there's an Anime NYC Localization panel and someone streamed the whole thing to catch questions, updates, announcements, and Qo L.

EDIT: Oh, and we get a grand total of... 3 SQ from the panel.

Edited by erazor0707 on Nov 16th 2018 at 4:20:49 AM

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#28059: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:22:41 PM

Honestly if they make it like 'The Abrahamic God is Evil', I can just chalk it up with 'Eh, they're more likely basing it on Gnosticism'. Which could be pretty OK.

But I still want a story when humans went gung-ho with "Gods are dicks, let us fucking rebel!!", only to find out that it was just a widespread propaganda made by some men, the Gods are actually cool, if flawed dudes... And mankind had to accept that they are flawed, and moved forward, leaving the Gods alone, who were content in leaving the age for men.

As of Historical Villains instead of Gods... well I think Nioh hit right on the spot. They hyped up Nobunaga to be a bit closer to be the Onimusha-style, but then was like "Oh fuck YOU necromancer, I have no interest to be a megalomaniacal overlord again. I'm going home." and was also shown that he also exhibited honorable traits aside of being a megalomaniacal overlord in his life.

Edited by ChrisX on Nov 16th 2018 at 7:27:05 PM

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded toβ€” WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#28060: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:52:49 PM

NA HF Campaign

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
alekos23 𐀀𐀩𐀯𐀂𐀰𐀅𐀑𐀄 from Apparently a locked thread of my choice Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
𐀀𐀩𐀯𐀂𐀰𐀅𐀑𐀄
#28061: Nov 16th 2018 at 5:04:41 PM

should've added Parvati too. It's not like she shows up in anything. tongue

Secret Signature
erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#28062: Nov 16th 2018 at 5:26:49 PM

After this year plz and ty.

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#28063: Nov 16th 2018 at 5:54:52 PM

So they just added Arthur and Merlin into Smite. Different design, but still...

It makes me wonder if there will be other mythological figures that has appeared in FGO, making appearance in Smite as well. Gilgamesh maybe?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#28064: Nov 16th 2018 at 6:05:08 PM

MOBA's should be wiped from existence.

There, I said it.

Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 16th 2018 at 11:05:24 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#28065: Nov 16th 2018 at 6:16:08 PM

Moba will never die.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#28067: Nov 16th 2018 at 6:28:04 PM

... Holy cow, Africa and South America are so barren on that list.

Edited by erazor0707 on Nov 16th 2018 at 6:28:12 AM

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
raziel365 Anka Aquila from The Far West Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#28068: Nov 16th 2018 at 6:57:13 PM

Speaking of which, call it an unfounded fear but I'm not sure how would Type-Moon manage historical characters post-Conquista, mostly because the cultural identity of the Latin American region is heavy on mestizage (miscegenation) while Japan is not keen on that, at all.

Edit:

@Muffins

With Warcraft 3 Reforged, I expect MOB As to have a revitalization.

Edited by raziel365 on Nov 16th 2018 at 6:58:26 AM

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to.
#28069: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:03:04 PM

[up] I wouldn't call it an unfounded fear when this is the company that said Emiya Alter is basically "Emiya in prison".

Don't catch you slippin' now.
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#28070: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:45:25 PM

I laughed at calling Emiya Alter Bob but when I learned about the origins of Demiya being Detroit Emiya for certain reasons

That’s bad. Sasaki Shounen can do better than that and really the design team shouldn’t have approved it

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#28071: Nov 16th 2018 at 8:55:45 PM

Hey, we get another Thanksgiving banner, featuring Gil, Shishou, Ilya, Saber Shiki, Mama Raikou, Shuten, Broskandar...

.... Well, shit.

What are the chances of New Year and Musashi?

(Me, I won't get it. I know I am trying to save for Okita and Hijikata. If these Thanksgiving banner come, then let it be on New Year Banner)

Edited by ChrisX on Nov 16th 2018 at 11:58:02 PM

raziel365 Anka Aquila from The Far West Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#28072: Nov 16th 2018 at 9:03:30 PM

Anyone knows when is Mordred in rate-up again?

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
WolfThunder Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th Since: Jun, 2013
Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th
#28074: Nov 16th 2018 at 9:58:37 PM

I don't know if this was brought up already, but speaking of Mordred, Kachi Kirby finally got her in the gacha. Please congratulate her if you haven't already.

The storm has now resided, the wolf now rests.
Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#28075: Nov 17th 2018 at 12:19:42 AM

Hmmm, looking at Muffin's map, I see that Malesia and Indochina are just as empty as Africa and Sout America. Anyone knows about reagons and their legendary figures?


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