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Ah, I just saw the Movie and here are my 2 cents:
- Zemo shows the flaw in Hydra's plan back in Winter Soldier: Hydra is a Generic Doomsday Villain, hoping to hold the world at gun point. There would always be someone pissed off enough to screw with even the bad guy's plans.
- Hydra is thankfully a Disc-One Final Boss in the MCU. Thanos is on his way and he would've eaten them for breakfast.
- Like Star Trek Voyager: the MCU is moving past some villains. Hydra was a very silly villain when it was shown that they were controlling SHIELD and were planning some HELICARRIERS to shoot a bunch of targets. That's Bond-villian shtick. And like a Bond villain, they are beaten and (aside from the series), in the movies there are washed up.
- Bucky reminds me of Seven of Nine: taken at a young age, a cyborg and brainwashed and crazy. Not saying it's a ripoff - far from it. Seven went from Ms. Fanservice to a really compelling character. Of course the movie has to compress things, but wow, they did a very good job with Bucky like the staff at Trek did with Seven of Nine.
- I'm sick of the whole "we're on the run because we're rebels the man just doesn't like us!" trope that invokes the Eight Deadly Words. Here, there is a reason some of the characters have to run. Like the A Team: accused of a crime they did not commit, but unlike the A Team their movies won't suck.
- And of course Stark is not suicidal after Civil War, he has things to live for and is getting over his ego.
- And some of the characters have a valid reason for being on the run other than "I'm special and I fear the MAN!": Scarlet Witch is seen as a Person of Mass Destruction, Clint & Falcon are now criminals, Ant-Man was a criminal and has tech to hide,
- It's a shame about Pepper, but at least that makes sense. Ask anyone in the military: many mil-spouses just can't take the constant moves, a spouse Married to the Job and the constant stress. That Pepper didn't just up and quit during Ultron means she is a saint.
- Now if Portman & Paltrow would just fish or cut bait about being in the MCU. Seems they're is on the fence about returning. I get it, each as that "I'm an actress" and the MCU is a "B-movie" to her. Either take the paychecks or just leave.
edited 11th May '16 8:25:34 PM by TairaMai
I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....To my knowledge Portman was never really "on the fence" about leaving. She was already unhappy as far back as Thor: The Dark World. And she's not coming back for the third one.
edited 11th May '16 3:46:01 PM by comicwriter
This is just me, but the implication that Gwyneth Paltrow might actually not return caused me to feel more worry about the state of Pepper and Tony's relationship, compared to the Raimi Spider-Man films where it was clear any problems with Peter and Mary-Jane were not permanent and the two were contractually obligated to keep having the "romance plot".
It was random to me until the end. That was a last connection to his dead family that the Avengers indirectly killed but prior to this fact I didn't know what to make of it. I thought he actually checked his phone messages and the person on the other end was an accomplice waiting to be revealed. Just more plot added onto him. Well I was wrong. It was motivation... too bad it was only used given importance in the last 2 something minutes of Zemo's heartbreaking moment. I need stronger subtext though so I can really feel his depravity. Like stare with the biggest smile ever at a family playing then the news comes on, talking about the Avenegrs; his smile immediately turns into a scowl, his fist clinch, and he treads off. Or a photo of his family he keeps on looking at the more bad he does. Idk the recording wasn't enough for me
edited 11th May '16 5:39:23 PM by FictionWriterKing
I realized that was the case while explaining his motivation. That was pretty clever.
Oh God! Natural light!Honestly I found Zemo to be a rather boring villain with extremely underwhelming motivations and a really predictable plan. I don't get the love for him myself (although he is well-acted, I'll give the film that much). I know that his motives are meant to be sympathetic. But much like the villain in Star Trek 09 (who had similar motivations), the movie doesn't do enough to make me really care. I'd take Stane, Abomination, Loki, Alexander Pierce, and Ultron over him any day, easily.
edited 11th May '16 6:16:49 PM by Punisher286
I think it's because he's not a grandiose super villain, or a massive alien threat.
He's (barring his experience in the military) an ordinary dude who succeeded where all these heavy hitters failed:
He completely destroyed the Avengers. And he didn't have to throw a single punch to do it. He just lit the match and let them all set each other ablaze.
That's why people like Zemo.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm near positive there was a reason.
I'd assume he was just so completely bat shit insane with grief that logically thoughts like that simply never occurred to him.
I mean, did you see Nero? Logical thinking didn't seem to be a strong point of his. He might have gotten some help from Vulcan on that...but he fucking blew it up!
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to be fair, many people are blowing that up of proportion, making look that everything was part of his plan and that nothing the avenger could do mean anything, it something there is some moment where it feel the plot help him more that anything else.
And aside of his rant against the avenger, is a very bland villian
edited 11th May '16 6:37:40 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"@Tucker, from about 2 pages ago: I agree with the 'lone gunman' view of Zemo.
I can see how some folks wouldn't like how he was handled, but honestly, I can't think of a better way to tie everything together at the end. For a story that ultimately comes down to the personal, the villain's motivations needed to be personal as well.
edited 11th May '16 6:45:10 PM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectZemo was done almost perfectly for the kind of story it was. If he had been any stronger, he would have overshadowed the main conflict and if he had been any weaker, he wouldn't need to exist.
This song needs more love.The "lone shooter" concept might've been fresh on my mind because a relative of mine tried to sneak a knife in the theater we went to. They said it was in case there was another theater shooting like in Aurora. Because I'm sure a knife in the dark would help us against an armed gunman with tear gas. But it's proof that the fear of it happening anywhere has really pervaded our culture this year. And perhaps then affecting the stories we see.
He was, but it's still pretty odd that his first thought after busting out of prison was "nab Spock and BLOW UP VULCAN" instead of warning his people.
If you have to nab Spock (how did he even know when Spock would even turn up?), do it quick, then go to Romulus, spend a few years building a super-fleet with them, and then get your revenge. Served very cold.
edited 11th May '16 6:56:21 PM by Tuckerscreator
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For me already overshadow the whole thing, the acords just move into the background as more bad thing happen to stark and the whole "five winter soldiers" thing, in the end Iron man is reduce to "MY PARENT ARE DEAAAAAD"!!!" meme which is quite hilarious
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Perhaps Nero was afraid the Romulans would just take his ship and throw him in a brig somewhere — there's no reason for them to help Nero get his revenge, after all.
Or perhaps Nero was afraid of running into his past self. True, nothing happened when the Spocks met, but Nero didn't know that, and didn't want to risk it.
Edit: Or, if he wasn't born yet, running into his future parents.
edited 11th May '16 7:33:24 PM by drac0blade
I've heard that the reason was Nero was pissed off at the Romulans for their part in botching the whole supernova thing. So he didn't trust his own people, even in the past.
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He built a Death Star in the comics although to be fair that was less due to a midlife crisis and more due to finding out that the universe was ending.
So similar to a midlife crisis I guess
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