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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5776: Aug 8th 2021 at 5:17:06 PM

I didn't get the impression the story is trying to force us to forgive Endeavor. If anything, I think Shoto's sister pushing so hard for the family to reconcile is supposed to feel awkward. I wonder if Midoriya suggesting to him that he should try to move past it has something to do with that feeling? Hearing that come from the main character might give rise to the feeling of the author saying "Yeah, let's get over it already." ..But even Midoriya makes a point of saying that if Shoto's not ready to forgive Endeavor, that's completely fine.
Assuming it's not different in the anime (I haven't been following it personally), then to be precise what Midoriya is suggesting isn't that Shoto should forgive Endeavor, but that he's already trying to do so, but hasn't quite got there yet.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#5777: Aug 8th 2021 at 5:18:28 PM

The Meta Liberation army will be explained after the next episode.

Just a reminder, it takes place BEFORE the current arc in the Anime.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#5778: Aug 8th 2021 at 5:34:23 PM

[up][up]Especially since he specifically says "If you hate him and don't want to forgive him that's entirely reasonable" beforehand.

I've always really liked that exchange and Natsuo's reaction to it because I feel like it makes sense for all characters involved, while also being "realistic" as it were.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 8th 2021 at 7:36:04 AM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5779: Aug 8th 2021 at 5:51:46 PM

[up][up][up] I think that is closer to what Midoriya said, I just couldn't remember the exact wording.

Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5780: Aug 8th 2021 at 6:20:36 PM

Hori really covered the bases by having Endeavor's kids run the gamut of reactions to his attempts at atonement.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5781: Aug 11th 2021 at 6:20:16 PM

So I still really like those D&D Alignment Charts which were all the rage years ago. Plus, this is TV Tropes, there are pages for the nine spots.

Lawful Evil: Stain is already listed on our LE page. Agree. Would add Overhaul, too.

Neutral Evil: All for One is listed. Agree. Endeavor is also under NE but dunno if I'd agree with that, even for his intro but whatever.

Chaotic Evil: Toga is listed. I'd ass Tomura and Dabi.

Not a single MHA character is under the page for LG, NG or CG.

Lawful Good: Iida Easy.

Neutral Good: All Might.

Chaotic Good: Deku

Edited by Nikkolas on Aug 11th 2021 at 6:22:07 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#5782: Aug 11th 2021 at 8:32:05 PM

I’d peg Deku as more Neutral Good than Chaotic - he’s hardly what I’d call a rebel.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5783: Aug 12th 2021 at 7:40:59 AM

[up][up] If you're talking in terms of adding entries, I belive it's discouraged, of not forbidden, to add to them unless the work explicitly uses such an alignment system itself.

If there are already entries for MHA there, they probably shouldn't be.

Edit: In closer inspection seems it's not quite the case. It's forbidden to put alignments on work pages where alignments aren't canonical, otherwise you can put them on the trope itself. They are YMMV, though, so probably need to take that into account.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 12th 2021 at 8:11:03 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5784: Aug 12th 2021 at 10:14:08 AM

Hmm, I'd say AFO is actually kinda hard to actually fit in. He might switch it up as whatever's more fun at the time.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5785: Aug 12th 2021 at 11:25:14 AM

My first thought would be to call that Chaotic Evil. Though maybe Neutral Evil fits better since he goes back and forth.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 12th 2021 at 11:26:41 AM

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5786: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:48:09 PM

AFO is Neutral Evil because he's true selfishness LE and CE both imply some kind of commitment to principles. AFO will play the helpful benefactor or just kill you depending on what serves his needs more at the time.

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#5787: Aug 12th 2021 at 5:14:13 PM

I'd say that Endeavour starts out as Lawful Evil. His job is about upholding the law (and he's genuinely honest and diligent about it) he restricts his evil to those who have familial ties and obligations to him, and a lot of his crimes is tied into forcing people to live and behave a certain way.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#5788: Aug 12th 2021 at 5:20:22 PM

I hesitate to call Stain Lawful Evil to be honest. I know what our page says but if anything I'm more inclined to put him as Chaotic Good since rather than exploiting the law for his own gain he's acting outside the law to do what he sees as improving the world.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#5789: Aug 12th 2021 at 6:19:35 PM

Stain only believes that, anyway. He is evil since half of what he does is assaulting or outright killing perfectly decent people because he can't see beyond his zealotry.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#5790: Aug 12th 2021 at 6:24:29 PM

Evil people very rarely believe they're doing evil. And I can't take any definition of the word "good" seriously that applies to a mad man who viciously and tenaciously murdered and crippled dozens of people for the sin of not being perfect. Like, come on.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 12th 2021 at 8:25:50 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#5791: Aug 12th 2021 at 8:42:33 PM

Should be noted, character alignments are not morality alignments.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5792: Aug 12th 2021 at 9:15:01 PM

Also I forgot about this

2KarkatTheDalek "I’d peg Deku as more Neutral Good than Chaotic - he’s hardly what I’d call a rebel."

I dunno. I think Deku would gladly throw evry law or organization under the bus to help somebody.

Now he desperately wants to be a Pro but like, uh, me and my comparisons, I see Dek 0 100% punching a Celestial Dragon if he was ever in a comparable position. If the choice was between not helping someone, if he had to listen to the Hero Commission or obey the rules at the cost of not helping someone, he would always prioritize helping everyone he can, whatever the cost or consequences.

He wants to help more than he wants to do anything else.

Edited by Nikkolas on Aug 12th 2021 at 9:17:21 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#5793: Aug 12th 2021 at 9:19:22 PM

Well, I suppose I see Neutral Good as more doing whatever helps the most people, whereas Chaotic Good is more explicitly against following the rules? I agree that Deku wouldn’t let the rules get in the way of helping people if he had to, but I don’t think he instinctively chafes against them.

Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree here, though.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Aug 12th 2021 at 12:19:44 PM

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5794: Aug 12th 2021 at 9:33:39 PM

No I can see your point there. You're right, he does not have any problem with rules per se, he just wouldn't follow them given certain circumstances. That does sound NG.

But now I'm not sure who would qualify as CG.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#5795: Aug 13th 2021 at 4:09:24 AM

Nobody because everyone more or less follows set rules and guidelines.

Even Mr. explosion murder defers to authority

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#5796: Aug 13th 2021 at 4:14:09 AM

Koichi Haimawari, since his heroing work is explicitly illegal

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5797: Aug 13th 2021 at 5:13:29 AM

Maybe Hatsume would be CG. Although she might actually just be straight up Chaotic Neutral given she doesn't seem to really care about helping others and only cares about her babies. She won't hurt people so she's not evil but neither does she seem to have any sort of altruistic motive for her "selfishness" like Uraraka and her love of money to help her family.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5798: Aug 13th 2021 at 5:03:37 PM

Would Hawks qualify as Neutral Good? Everything he does is ultimately in the service of good, but he's obviously willing to get his hands dirty in the process. Or would he be more Lawful Good because the Hero Commission ordered him to do it?

Edited by diddyknux on Aug 13th 2021 at 5:03:55 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#5799: Aug 13th 2021 at 5:51:00 PM

[up] Neural Good is actually the kind of good most likely to get it's hands dirty, the trope page even calls it the most dangerous type of good. Much like how in neutral evil anything goes when it comes to getting what you want, neutral good has a similar mindset when it comes to getting a good outcome.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#5800: Aug 13th 2021 at 7:47:12 PM

Chaotic and Lawful aren't about following or disobeying laws. They're about organisation, acting according to a system, consistency vs arbitrariness, going with your gut vs. trying to do the same thing every time etc.


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