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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2026: Mar 27th 2017 at 1:50:34 PM

This is a guy who didn't just blow up his political rival with the Death Star, he somehow ensured the firing angle hit the guy directly before blowing up everything else.

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#2027: Mar 27th 2017 at 2:23:59 PM

I think you're giving Tarkin's aiming skills too much credit. tongue

It seemed more like it was the cruel irony of fate the Force.

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#2028: Mar 27th 2017 at 3:58:37 PM

Deleted scene of Tarkin taking ten minutes to verify Krennic's location on Find Friends before blasting Scarif.

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#2029: Mar 27th 2017 at 4:21:50 PM

Tarkin: "You, the Mayor of Scarif Information Base, Krennic? ...Your hubris shall be your downfall." *pushes button*

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#2030: Mar 27th 2017 at 6:33:58 PM

While it is likely that the shot just hit Krennic dead-on for the karmic effect, I once again find the alternative to be better. Just because I love the idea of Tarking personally taking over the console and lining up the shot himself just to make absolutely sure it hit.

  • TROOPER: Uh, sir? Turbolaser's charged and ready to fire.
  • TARKIN: YOU may be ready but I am not. Two more centimeters to the left...HA! Got him! Be sure to get this on camera, or else Vader is never going to believe I managed it.

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#2031: Mar 27th 2017 at 6:39:03 PM

Heh

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#2033: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:12:14 PM

[up][up][up] Truly a face for selfies, that Grand Moff Tarkin.

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#2034: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:31:04 PM

  • Tarkin: Well? Have you taken the photo yet?
  • Trooper: I'm sorry, sir, but every time I try to snap a picture of you, it just comes out as an empty room.
  • Tarkin: Mmm. That's okay. We'll just add me back in with CGI.

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#2035: Mar 29th 2017 at 2:40:08 AM

If it wasn't for the fact that we've never seen Tarkin laugh at anything ever, I could imagine him enjoying a nice hearty "ha-ha" at the sight of Krennic getting bullseyed.

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#2036: Mar 29th 2017 at 3:00:09 AM

I imagine he would do exactly this:

edited 29th Mar '17 3:01:16 AM by Nightwire

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#2037: Apr 3rd 2017 at 10:01:14 AM

So with it being out on DVD now I've finally seen it.

Loved the space battles, loved the background characters (it was super nice to see such variety amongst the rebel background cast), the final part of the film was great in general.

the deaths of each member of the team were super well done, the only one that felt kinda unfulfilling for me was Malbus, Îmwe had already done their bit of the mission and it seemed like he just kinda had to die at that point. Everyone else died basically sacrificing themselves to be one part of the greater action of getting the plans off planet. I feel like it would have worked better if he'd died giving covering fire for Îmwe or something.

What probably hit me the most was how connected the film felt to the rest of the universe, I'll firmly put that down to the ending, because the entire main cast die, they're all dead and the film keeps going, that fact really rammed home how much of a greater scope the events took, that they were part of something bigger, because even after everyone we'd grown to care about during the film was dead the story kept on going.

Oh and obviously I have to agree with everyone about Vader being a badass killing machine, his joke felt a bit strange but I was willing to roll with it.

In the end the thing I loved the most was probably that it really felt like the characters were part of something greater than themselves, they won not because they were smarter or stronger but because in the end every last one of them was willing to give their lives to get the job done. Not just the main cast but everyone, including redshirts being slaughtered by Vader. Which is itself something, in the end that hallway full of unarmed redshirt defeated Darth Vader, because they won, they got the plans away.

edited 3rd Apr '17 10:02:12 AM by Silasw

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#2038: Apr 3rd 2017 at 1:13:00 PM

One quibble in an otherwise solid review: Jyn and Cassian died like Malbus did: after their part of the mission was complete. I don't think any of those deaths was uncalled for. I mean Malbus went out like a boss killing Death Troopers, and those two died watching the Death Star do its thing.

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#2039: Apr 3rd 2017 at 8:54:09 PM

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The novelisation pretty heavily (at least in my opinion) implies that Baze felt his main purpose in life was minding Chirrut / keeping him out of trouble, and so he felt he had nothing to do - and maybe even nothing to live for - once he died.

(Despite/ perhaps because of this, I'd like to think that he was planning on defending Chirrut's body when the grenade hit.)

Taking a blow without flinching can sometimes be its own form of revenge.
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#2040: Apr 4th 2017 at 5:12:46 AM

[up][up] It just didn't feel like hitting the master switch was Malbus' achivment, Îmwe was the one who made the run for the switch, it was done by the time Malbus came out of cover. That's why I feel like he should have made the run for the switch with Îmwe or been providing covering fire for Îmwe's run. It wasn't the delay that made the death feel weaker so much as hitting the switch didn't feel like something he did, it felt like something Îmwe did.

It just feel like they should have gone out together, after making a run together to get the switch. Not one of them getting the switch then the other one going "well the switch has been done by my partner, I guess I should probably die now.

edited 4th Apr '17 5:14:36 AM by Silasw

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#2041: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:17:25 AM

I actually think Baze should have died before Chirrut. Rather than Baze going out to make a pointless last stand after Chirrut goes, Baze's death could have triggered that moment for Chirrut where he realizes the Force is telling him that he can make it to the switch.

Instead of just getting ganked on his way back, it would put more emphasis on the idea that Chirrut knew exactly what would happen to him if he went out there and made peace with giving his life to a higher purpose - a thematically appropriate way for a proto-Jedi to go out.

edited 4th Apr '17 9:17:36 AM by TobiasDrake

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#2042: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:23:23 AM

I think there's enough emphasis on Chirrut knowing what would happen to him if he walked out there. The way it happens now, it's Baze who gets to realize that Chirrut was right to keep on believing in the Force all along, and armed with that certainty (we all become one with the Force), he can walk onto the field and bring down a few stormtroopers for his friend on the way out. Because he wasn't walking out of there alive no matter what, at that point, so the least he could do is avenge Chirrut's death and meet his maker in the time and manner of his choosing.

edited 4th Apr '17 9:23:49 AM by Unsung

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#2043: Apr 4th 2017 at 11:30:11 AM

That's actually a fair point. I take it back. I like it the way it is. I'd forgotten about the way Baze actually starts reciting Chirrut's mantra as he goes guns blazing into the enemy.

edited 4th Apr '17 11:30:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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#2044: Apr 4th 2017 at 11:50:27 AM

Why are we spoilering out comments, guys? The movie's been out for ages.

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#2045: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:28:41 PM

Well there was one guy here that hadn't even seen the movie until last weekend.

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#2047: Apr 4th 2017 at 12:48:50 PM

Another way to make Baze's death feel like it had more weight would be to have killing the Death Troopers be more important. The Troopers are established as being practically unbeatable and cutting a swath through the Rebels' ranks, but by that time it doesn't matter. The heroes are dropping like flies already, but they were all dead anyway, and had also already accomplished what they needed to do - where they were the Death Troopers were no long capable of being a real threat and were just hanging around after the fact. If, say, the Death Troopers realized that the signal was getting through and made a rush to the tower, with a real risk of them stopping Jyn, and Baze did basically the same thing but was explicitly stopping them from advancing like a last stand, it might have felt like he did more.

edited 4th Apr '17 12:56:00 PM by KnownUnknown

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#2048: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:23:04 PM

Good idea, I like it!

Also: Anyone else think if Lucas Arts does yet another special edition of A New Hope after this, they'll alter the mission briefing to be true to Rogue One? That whole Bothans line is kind of a lie now, since there were none involved in the mission or on the Tantive IV to get ganked by Vader. I'd imagine they'd just switch that word to people instead of Bothans, or name call Rogue One. It'd be a pretty light Retcon compared to the forest fire they've already spread throughout the Legends verse to create the new one anyway.

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#2049: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:24:58 PM

Bothans are second Death Star. Rogue One is the first.

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#2050: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:26:34 PM

The Bothans line is about DS2, not the first one. All we know about DS1 plans being acquired, prior to this movie, was in the opening crawl.

It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. Pursued by the Empire’s sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy….

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edited 27th Apr '17 5:27:15 PM by Nohbody

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