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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#1876: Jun 14th 2024 at 2:53:52 PM

Re: Prince Mush, apparently you get access to the fight after completing the trouble where you clean up the storeroom in the Glitz Pit. After completing that trouble, you'll get the email for the fight some time afterwards.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1877: Jun 14th 2024 at 3:31:22 PM

I did that trouble just now. Guess I'll hang around for a while!

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AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#1878: Jun 14th 2024 at 4:57:58 PM

Here's a tip for ya, get good at superguarding. It's going to be MANDATORY for the second half of his fight.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1879: Jun 14th 2024 at 5:14:33 PM

Okay, I think I can scrounge up enough time to try a few hours of Thousand Year Door.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#1880: Jun 14th 2024 at 8:58:48 PM

i actually just did the prince mush fight for the first time myself!

i think that the fight is really really well designed. i think it's clever in the ways that it forces you to interact with the mechanics of the game (stuff like encouraging you to charge or set up while he's dodgy, making players try and super guard). and i love that the fight is difficult, i was blown away by the damage numbers!

i was in the middle of a challenge run (mario is at 5 max hp, i have double pain equipped, and my partners are the only ones that can deal damage) when attempting the fight, so it took me a couple tries before i got it.

im aware that there's another secret boss fight and i'm really excited to see how that goes

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1881: Jun 15th 2024 at 2:12:44 AM

Do Flurrie's Lip Lock/Ms. Mowz/Yoshi pierce his defense in phase 3?

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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#1882: Jun 15th 2024 at 4:30:14 AM

Regarding your Yoshi partner at least, Prince Mush is immune to Gulp. The remake's devs factored it in, and he swats the tongue off.

Edited by Ego-Man25 on Jun 15th 2024 at 4:30:33 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1883: Jun 15th 2024 at 4:59:33 AM

Apparently he's also immune to lightning, the Payback status and all status effects.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#1884: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:02:42 PM

Since I don't think it was mentioned here yet, the poem in the Riddle Tower has been changed slightly. It also gets displayed in full when you get all the keys.

The stars up in the heavens shone
Carrying the lore of the sky
Carrying secrets from on high
By skill and might, engraved in stone
Stones to rival the celestial spheres
The seven hewn by a fell hand
Feared far and wide across the land
Master of shadow, queen of fear

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Long time lurker
#1885: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:22:15 PM

To me that sounds like the shadow queen is from space as that's why there a lot of space/stars motif in the palace of shadows.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#1887: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:31:32 PM

Also it just struck me that for all Frankly talks about researching the legends and myths of Rogueport, he never bothered to talk to the guy who lives on the roof of his house.

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AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#1888: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:32:55 PM

Yeah well that would have costed money, and Frankly didn't feel like spending money for a lore dump.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#1889: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:36:37 PM

Also he's old and I don't think he has a way to get on his own roof.

Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#1890: Jun 15th 2024 at 10:37:15 PM

He might know what Momotaro is, and that's basically the back story for the Shadow Queen. (Well, Momotar-Toad, technically.)

But then, even if Frankly could get up there, he might not even believe the guy.

Frankley: So a Toad and his three non-Toad friends killed the Shadow Queen's body but not her spirit, and they were cursed to hold the Crystal Stars and were sealed into chests when they let go?

Roof Guy: Yes.

Frankley: Plagiarist.

Edited by Smasher on Jun 15th 2024 at 1:25:56 PM

The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Long time lurker
#1891: Jun 15th 2024 at 11:17:39 PM

Huh I never would have thought about it that way.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1892: Jun 16th 2024 at 5:07:28 AM

Just beat Whacka! I used a few Life Shrooms on my Partners but I think it was cause I legitimately forgot about Vivian's Shade move. Oops!

At least I'm rich enough to buy back everything I used.

EDIT: Just beat the final superboss, Prince Mush! I had to use superguards for the second phase but managed to do it...after a lot of false starts and near heart attacks but surprisingly no deaths—Dodgy Fog helped.

A Toad in the audience gave me a free Ultra Mushroom, which was nice, but I ended up using more Whacka Bumps than anything else.

I find this fan game concept, Paper Mario the Oracles of Truth, pretty neat.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jun 16th 2024 at 1:19:53 PM

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#1893: Jun 17th 2024 at 8:23:30 PM

So I now finally fully completed TTYD as I did all the troubles after doing every thing eles, sadly there is no reward for doing all the troubles.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#1894: Jun 17th 2024 at 8:52:34 PM

Congrats.

As you've seen from my online status, I haven't used the switch in a long while.

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#1895: Jun 17th 2024 at 9:09:15 PM

Nah man I know how it is, like work is kicking my sleep schedule to the curb right now because as soon I've get home I just sleep, wake up in the middle of the night with a lack of sleep as a reward, at lest I can play my games by then.

After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.
Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#1896: Jun 18th 2024 at 6:14:00 AM

Finally finished TTYD's remake and man what a blast. The final boss nearly gave me my first game over but I managed to barely pull off the win thanks to Bobbery's giant bomb attack spam.

If I had any issues with the game overall - not a dealbreaker IMO, but something that's worth adressing should we ever get a newer PM like this one - is that the level design is fairly linear as a whole to the point it feels like an overcorrection to Paper Mario 1's level design, which might not be too far off from the truth? I mean, the game does reference Dry Dry Desert from the first game at one point so...?

I've also seen people have issues with the remastered soundtrack, but overall, I think this one's a legit improvement (also the original one is still available in the game and easy to access so what are you even doing).

I know the game added a bit more stuff beyond the Pit of 100 trials for postgame, but honestly I just wanna clear that up and replay the whole game again because boy I really, really missed having a Mario RPG on the Switch that's not linked to NSO which I don't use.

Stage7-4 Since: Nov, 2014
#1897: Jun 18th 2024 at 1:06:15 PM

[up] I don't know if more-linear is what I'd call it, but I would say that Paper Mario's levels felt more labyrinthian on average than TTYD's. The first game would commonly throw multiple objectives at you to complete in any order (find 3 letters, find 5 Yoshi kids, try to untie the knot that is navigating Flower Fields) which is really rare in TTYD, if at all. But I don't know if I'd say they simplified it as much as they tried to experiment more with what a level could look like. Chapter 3 Glitzville is a highlight for many particularly for how unconventional it is as a level, in addition to great character moments and charming twists. And for those that do like something closer to the first game it still delivers, Chapters 1 and 5 in particular.

I will admit the chapters in TTYD feel a bit shorter than the first game, particularly in this remake with the egregious backtracking bits cut down. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing though, some Paper Mario levels could overstay their welcome (4 and 6 especially, and while I loved chapter 2 I can see why some would loathe it). And in TTYD if a level missed then the plot or character could cover for it. While Paper Mario's story and characters are very underrated, they are not enough to excuse a bad level. I'd replay the Creepy Steeple just for Vivian, I cannot say the same for Lakilester and Flower Fields.

But one thing I will say: the assault on Bowser's castle in the original is the best final level in this subseries. Jailbreaking all the captured Toads, dealing with the Bowser doors, climbing higher and higher to Peach's castle on top, it just felt very climactic. The Palace of Shadow is fine but lacks some oomph the previous had, and the rest suffer from "disappointing final level" syndrome where it seems like all the good ideas have been used up and the game is coasting on fumes until the ending.

Edited by Stage7-4 on Jun 18th 2024 at 1:07:31 AM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#1898: Jun 18th 2024 at 1:10:57 PM

I love Castle Bleck looking like an empty dark castle.

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#1899: Jun 18th 2024 at 1:16:49 PM

I remember a long time ago someone suggested that The Koopalings would have fit in Paper Mario 64 based on their Super Mario Bros. 3 appearances:

  • Chapter 1: Larry
  • Chapter 2: Morton
  • Chapter 3: Ludwig
  • Chapter 4: Iggy
  • Chapter 5: Wendy
  • Chapter 6: Roy
  • Chapter 7: Lemmy

AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#1900: Jun 18th 2024 at 1:24:21 PM

You know what would be nice? A Super Paper Mario port.


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