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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#751: Jul 29th 2020 at 8:07:37 PM

To answer the worldbuilding question I give this video:

It is true that super mario runs on Negative Continuity and as such the spin-off games add soft worldbuilding. If you don't have time to watch the video, hard worldbuilding tells you how the world works, whereas soft worldbuilding invites a sense of mystery and wonder (One isn't inherently better than the other). I feel the varied toad designs added to the soft worldbuilding feel.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#752: Jul 29th 2020 at 8:21:23 PM

I see the value in worldbuilding, and I'm sure most of us who prefer the older model of Mario RPGs do, but I don't think Nintendo sees enough value in worldbuilding to go out of their way for it. Their approach to Mario is gameplay first, presentation second, functional story third, nonessential worldbuilding only when it's not too much of a hassle.

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#753: Jul 29th 2020 at 8:28:46 PM

Well the problem is not only the character limitations, the story limitation is also readily apparent for the last 3 games. As Arlo put it, "they are literally bumling their heads against this limitation ". It affects the world, the story, and therefore the games quality when they have to stay inside such restrictive guidelines. I LOVED origami king but i can also agree that the story takes a backseat most the time except for key point in the adventure and a mad dash towards the end.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#754: Jul 29th 2020 at 8:35:59 PM

For a paper mario game, I feel the story was the second best in the entire franchise. Thousand Year Door had a servicable story, and Super Paper Mario's story was heartfelt and raw, but Origami King's story was also heartfelt and raw at times, and it was better than TTYD. All the other paper mario games have either bog standard stories or none to really speak of.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#755: Jul 30th 2020 at 1:41:40 AM

My favorite story is 64's for the amount of depth it gave the classic tale and a work-your-way-up feeling that no other game really captured.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#756: Jul 30th 2020 at 8:49:13 AM

I think everyone can agree though that corporate mandates that restrict creativity in arbitrary ways are annoying and boring though tongue

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#757: Jul 30th 2020 at 9:31:27 AM

Amen to that ✌️

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#758: Jul 30th 2020 at 9:37:13 AM

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Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#759: Jul 30th 2020 at 1:17:56 PM

Not going to lie if they have a mandate like that then I really don't want them doing a remake of Thousand Year Door.

Double_AA Since: Mar, 2019
#760: Jul 30th 2020 at 4:25:14 PM

Honestly It's pretty clear the mandate is slowly (and I should emphasis slowly) turning around in regards to Paper Mario. Origami King is better than Sticker Star in diversifying characters in every way, which is apparently where it started. Whether or not it completely goes away is unknown, but it takes time to reverse a company's direction in general.

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#761: Jul 30th 2020 at 4:27:18 PM

I feel it's more that they're trying to explore what they can do within the creative mandates.

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#762: Jul 30th 2020 at 4:29:10 PM

I just wanted to pop up and bring in this beta Wiggler sprite, because he totally looks like a Paper Mario 64 style partner, especially with the dunce cap.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#763: Jul 30th 2020 at 4:30:51 PM

That Wiggler is blazin' hard.

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MisterZygarde64 Crazy Crossover Creator - A Man with Many Hypoth from New Mobotropolis, Mushroom Kingdom Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#764: Jul 31st 2020 at 1:16:14 AM

Found this great remix of the Red Streamer Battle theme that arranges it in the style of TTYD

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#766: Jul 31st 2020 at 4:50:24 AM

[up] Now where's my hammer to fix them? XD

EDIT: Origami King has a unique Toad design for the telescope gag!

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 31st 2020 at 11:39:44 AM

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#767: Aug 1st 2020 at 4:32:24 PM

I haven't even played Origami King but this Toad sprite is making me lose my shit [lol]

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#768: Aug 1st 2020 at 8:48:30 PM

That poor Toad. Somebody help him. There's no way he can walk on his own.

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Jaryl from Austria Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#769: Aug 1st 2020 at 11:55:50 PM

so I've been seeing opinions on Origami King range from it being better than Color Splash to Color Splash being better. Would that be considered a Contested Sequel, or just a case of Broken Base?

edit: I personally think that Origami King is the better game of the two. While I did end up enjoying Color Splash, the beginning feeling so similar to Sticker Star caused me to drop it for a while, I only gave it another shot this year and found that it's actually a really good game. Whereas I liked what Origami King was going for from the get-go once I played it.

Edited by Jaryl on Aug 1st 2020 at 8:57:36 PM

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#770: Aug 2nd 2020 at 12:09:27 AM

Different people have different opinions, gaaaasp.

Jaryl from Austria Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#771: Aug 2nd 2020 at 12:12:28 AM

well, obviously :V

I just wonder what to put on the YMMV tab of Origami King

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#772: Aug 2nd 2020 at 12:14:23 AM

When in doubt, "nothing" is a safe answer. tongue

Edited by Perseus on Aug 2nd 2020 at 12:14:58 PM

ClintEastBacon bradly staute from Hometown, USA Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#773: Aug 2nd 2020 at 12:23:15 AM

At any rate, putting Broken Base under a work's YMMV tab this soon is against the rules. You have to wait six months first.

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#774: Aug 2nd 2020 at 12:29:11 AM

I believe Contested Sequel is under similar time constraints too, actually.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#775: Aug 2nd 2020 at 2:57:43 AM

Yeah, people like jumping the gun on opinions, tropers had to delete early contested sequels and they changed it now it sucks on the YMMV.

I personally think it's a worthy follow up to Super Paper Mario and approaches the level of 64 and TTYD but it still has room for improvement.

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