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Deadlock Clock: Jan 17th 2017 at 11:59:00 PM
The10thGeek Mysterious Fan from Somewhere in England Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#51: May 6th 2016 at 12:34:28 PM

And my suggestion?

KingClark Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#52: May 7th 2016 at 11:36:56 PM

I've personally been pretty busy with some personal stuff outside of the site, which is why I haven't done any updates in a few days. I'll knock out what I can tonight.

The10thGeek Mysterious Fan from Somewhere in England Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#53: May 8th 2016 at 7:30:26 AM

Wasn't criticising you, just worried/a bit impatient really. I was also wondering if it was possible splittiting them up into sub-sections, like the Star Wars characters page. What do you say about that?

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#54: May 9th 2016 at 1:11:57 PM

Where is T'Chaka on this list? Black Panther's father, for context. I can't find him. Or Black Panther himself, for that matter.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#55: May 9th 2016 at 1:16:08 PM

Civil War wasn't released in the states when we started this. I'm not sure he's made it on there yet.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#56: May 9th 2016 at 1:44:12 PM

Oh, I'm just so used to people adding characters months before their movies come out, I didn't even consider that they wouldn't have in this case.

We'll probably need a specific Wakanda page once the Black Panther movie comes out, but for now T'Challa can probably go on the New Avengers page, while T'Chaka can go on the Citizens page.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
acrobox Since: Nov, 2010
#57: May 9th 2016 at 5:20:55 PM

t'challa is already on the general avengers page.

GliderPro Since: Mar, 2016
#58: May 12th 2016 at 3:51:00 AM

Where is Kozlov (the guy who supplied Will Simpson with his pills), McManus (the guy Kozlov sent to bring back Simpson, whom Simpson shot) and IGH (Kozlov's organization?)

edited 12th May '16 3:53:20 AM by GliderPro

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The10thGeek Mysterious Fan from Somewhere in England Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#60: May 29th 2016 at 5:34:30 AM

It's a convolted mess. In my honest opinion, it needs to be re-organised more efficiently.

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#61: Jun 16th 2016 at 5:25:46 PM

This entire page is absurd. Half of the characters from each individual MCU film and show are on their own page and half of them are on here, with no indication as to where you should go to find them. Going back to a franchise-based model would be preferable, in my opinion. Have an Avengers folder with each character franchise, a Defenders folder with each Netflix show, and then miscellaneous characters.

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#62: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:53:18 AM

What is absurd about this? That sounds like every other large franchise on the site for character pages.

I could use some clarification here. What has been done, and what still needs to be done?

edited 17th Jun '16 10:53:59 AM by war877

KingClark Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#63: Jun 19th 2016 at 12:33:35 AM

To the people who helped pick up where I slacked off (a lot of more important shit got in the way), I offer many thanks.

To the people against this decision I proposed: while I can get where you come from, the thing about the MCU is that it's branching out in such a way that franchise-based organization is becoming largely useless, just like how it became useless for the pages on Star Wars (which had a bunch of duplicate entries across the character pages for many works). There's not going to be another standalone The Incredible Hulk movie for a while due to rights and distribution issues, and the vast majority of the 2008 movie's cast have gone AWOL. Nick Fury shows up when and where he damn well pleases in the setting in spite of debuting in Iron Man. The Netflix characters are already looking to leak into each other's shows and zig-zag between them with only three seasons of television completed. There are too many exceptions to the rule that a grand unified page for each individual franchise would prove to be counterproductive.

However, if there's a way to make the organization that's been implemented easier on the eyes while keeping it, I'm all for it.

edited 19th Jun '16 12:35:32 AM by KingClark

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#64: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:00:26 AM

But that problem there is with have a characters page relative to single (or trilogy) movie?. If i search a character from Captain America is more easy search in a CA characters page instead of move in Shield, allies, inhumans, new york, companies, ecc..

edited 22nd Jul '16 9:01:04 AM by rafi

ashlay Since: Apr, 2011
#65: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:17:57 AM

the biggest problem does seem to be with secondary characters: most of them appear in 1 franchise, with maybe a cameo in another. So it makes more sense to have say Jane Foster on a Thor page and Leonard Samson on a Hulk page than on the same one. They have never appeared in the same work and, given expired contracts, never will.

edited 24th Jul '16 6:18:27 AM by ashlay

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#66: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:30:33 AM

I preferred when it was organized by work - maybe it was overly cluttered before, but it seems to me that efforts to improve this only made it more cluttered.

And yeah, the secondary characters are a problem here.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:30:47 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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KingClark Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#67: Jul 24th 2016 at 11:32:17 AM

I certainly understand those concerns, but I think that defaulting back to the previous set of organization - even if briefly - would lead to a bunch of headaches later on.

I think that coming up with a Character Index - the kind that's present on Characters.Metal Gear. This would be helpful in linking to what character appears on what shows while retaining the current index of organization. (The same ought to be applied to Characters.Star Wars as well, come to think of it.)

edited 24th Jul '16 11:34:46 AM by KingClark

ashlay Since: Apr, 2011
#68: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:44:45 PM

I started putting together those lists the other day. Only got through phase 1 though.

I'd suggest changing the Character pages to these lists and a link to the main MCU Character index instead of just redirects. Given there is no forseeable end to this franchise (and 3-5 new works per year), it would avoid any character limit or organization issues that will eventually come up.

edited 24th Jul '16 6:52:31 PM by ashlay

KingClark Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#69: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:05:38 PM

[up] I think that that actually might be the best course of action - have the character index up top and the work index at the bottom. I do think we need to keep the work index, though.

Astatine Since: May, 2014
#70: Jul 25th 2016 at 1:22:26 AM

Hm, I can't be the only one who wants the page to categorize by instalment/series. Most casual audiences are going to have more confusion navigating these pages than before. We don't need to split the Daredevil characters across 5 pages. For that reason the Star Wars page is incredibly irritating to navigate- for someone who isn't familiar with all the in-universe jargon finding characters like Tarkin was a real pita. This just strikes me as extremely counterproductive- barring a few characters (mostly the Avengers themselves) most of the characters are restricted to one movie or a set of movies where they have a clearly defined first appearance. Even someone like Loki is easier to find under 'Thor characters' than...wherever the hell he is right now.

Even with spillover between different movies and whatnot, most of the characters barring the Avengers themselves stay within their own 'set' of movies- Pepper Potts is an Iron Man character, Bucky is a Captain America one, spillover or not, people aren't going to have any more issue finding an Tony Stark whether he is in an 'Avengers Initiative' link or an 'Iron Man characters' link. Same for Daredevil or Jessica Jones. For virtually every other character though it becomes an absolute nightmare and the whole thing is just a convoluted mess especially since most people access the page through the 'Characters' link on top of each work's page- imagine having a good time browsing/editing the main/Awesome/YMMV pages of Daredevil, clicking Characters and rhen having to navigate through dozens of nonspecific pages.

Granted it can be quite irritating to flip across several pages to look up the different Avengers (who are recurring characters), and they are highly recognisable to all audiences, so I suggest can dedicate a page to them specifically, then have the other characters split by instalment/series.

edited 25th Jul '16 1:51:53 AM by Astatine

ashlay Since: Apr, 2011
#71: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:32:12 AM

we can always do a crowner type vote for page format.

edit: character indexes by film are done. I left it to the official credits to decide character order to avoid current issues of deciding order and grouping on our own. Will start putting together series lists.

edited 25th Jul '16 8:03:05 AM by ashlay

The10thGeek Mysterious Fan from Somewhere in England Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#72: Jul 26th 2016 at 2:32:58 PM

Should Senator Stern (currently placed under Government & Military) be moved over to HYDRA Operatives instead?

KingClark Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#73: Jul 29th 2016 at 7:11:33 PM

[up] I think he needs to stay where he is (since he's not seen among their ranks when everything else is going down), but there needs to be a redirect on the other page.

ashlay Since: Apr, 2011
#74: Aug 9th 2016 at 11:11:03 AM

Should we reuse Characters.Luke Cage 2016 as a singular page for awhile? It's going to see heavy traffic in about 6 weeks and right now the characters are going to have to be split between 3-5 pages. This is again mainly for the secondary characters, Luke and Claire should definitely stay where they are.

Spinosegnosaurus77 Ramen Fairy from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#75: Aug 9th 2016 at 1:28:24 PM

[up] Eh, I personally wouldn't. It contradicts our goal of making the character sheet character-based rather than work-based. Even if (as you suggest) the page itself would be temporary, it'll result in confusion when we eventually move the characters to their correct places (if I'm interpreting your post correctly). IMO, this confusion could be avoided by cutting out the middleman & putting them on their respective pages right away. It'll save us a lot of trouble later.

edited 9th Aug '16 1:39:13 PM by Spinosegnosaurus77

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