Steven Universe Leaks and Spoiler Thread

It's a double meaning either way, but I thought it was "What's the use of feeling (blue)?"—like she was using the pause to change the sentence at the last second.

The real meaning was a homophone: "What's the use of feeling blue?" ("What's the point in moping"?) or "What's the use of feeling, Blue?" ("Why are you experiencing any emotions, Blue Diamond?")

And "diminutive" in this case doesn't mean "Ruby/Sapphire/Peridot-sized", it means "less than a foot tall".

Well I was trying to see if someone else come up with the same idea: staying at the station but not just in the terrarium, with the jaspers and amethysts.

I've got a scenario laid out a bit:

• The humans' having a simultaneous First Time Feeling hurt is going to disturb the routine.
• A mutiny between the gems seems inevitable. Agate can't stop them herself and she might not be able to reach outside help—Homeworld seems to have deliberately isolated the place and its inhabitants as much as possible. If the station is mobile, they could go into hiding before any of the Diamonds come back.
• The amethyst seems have some pretty heavy Lima Syndrome toward the humans. If they were in charge and some humans wanted out, I could see them letting them.

This is the quote I was talking about with regards to 5 seasons. Note that this was after Season 2B was turned into Season 3.

edited 3rd Jan '17 7:16:53 PM by InAnOdderWay

I see what you meant and recall that interview, but saying "Rebecca only planned 3/5" season is misleading because you're making it sound like Sugar had the series largely planned out from the beginning, whereas that quote was from eight months ago. From what I can recall in other interviews, she still has lots of ideas from before the show even started, but the show's storyline was largely developed as it was written.

edited 3rd Jan '17 7:37:27 PM by thatother1dude

Well, if you go with my "the Amethysts, Jaspers, and Carnelian are also part of the zoo" theory, it's not quite Lima Syndrome. It's more akin to camaraderie amongst kindred spirits. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they already see it that way. Based on how Holly Blue Agate treats each group, well, the various quartzes already have way more in common with the humans than with the other gems they deal with.

And that's even before you get into the other Rose Quartzes floating around. Even if they were inclined to be Homeworld loyalists initially, I have to imagine their current condition will result in at least a few wanting to take a stand against Homeworld, should they get unbubbled.

Of course, someone hopefully has the sense to wait on all of this. Even presuming the couple dozen quartzes of various colors can take Holly Blue on (given that they saw three gems do it, I think their chances are solid), I wouldn't want to try that with two Diamonds in the area. Particularly given that Holly Blue suggests that Diamond visits are rare in the extreme, I'd wait until the two left before toppling Holly Blue.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.

You know, I kind of wonder if Agate is there at the Zoo for screwing up elsewhere and in denial about being Reassigned to Antarctica.

Well, Holly Blue seems like an annoying brown-noser to those above her station and a petty tyrant below; it wouldn't surprise me if she got sent out of the way for attitude reasons.

Hrm... also, I'm seeing that there's a potential spelling war over Holly Blue Agate's name on some of the trope pages already. To remind folks, don't Edit War - take it to Ask The Tropers. Also, for the record, it's "holly blue".

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.

"Please step into the center of the circle.

"Now undress.

"Slowly."

edited 3rd Jan '17 8:12:36 PM by HextarVigar

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.

Aren't we technically not supposed to edit the trope pages yet? :/

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.

Generally, my experience is that once something is "in the wild," it's fair game for troping, though spoiler tags may be appropriate.

I know the recap pages are pretty well populated at this point, though there's been back-and-forth on the character pages. I'm holding off myself and half-expecting a temporary lock or three to come down until the official episode airings.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.

We didn't allow the pokemon pages to be edited when info about the games were leaked. I don't see why leaked episodes of a show should be treated any different.

The leak policy for this show has been a very firm no for the entire wiki and the forum barring this thread. Spoiler tags are useless for this purpose.

That's why I suggested making an off-site draft for leak-based edits to the recap pages. No one responded.

I feel like I should just make one, move all the existing content there, and leave a link to it.

edited 3rd Jan '17 9:25:28 PM by thatother1dude

You know, the critical question this season is going to be where the surprisingly sympathetic characterization of Blue Diamond goes. There's some very deep Moral Myopia going on obviously, though that was true of pretty much every gem character in the show at one point or another, especially in regards to humans.

It's also widely believed that Blue Diamond effectively took over administration of Earth after Pink Diamond was shattered, so it wouldn't surprise me if, from a Rules Lawyer, she would be the one with the final say about the cluster regardless of how much Yellow Diamond fumed and pouted over it being aborted after thousands of years of preparation, which could be one way of preventing or at least forestalling an all out invasion by homeworld when they inevitably find out the cluster is bubbled and there are still crystal gems alive on Earth.

""Please step into the center of the circle. "Now undress. "Slowly."

"Dad"

"Yes Steven"

"I start to see why mom never said anything about this"

"Yes, I agree with you"

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Blue Diamond spent five thousand years mourning the death of Pink. You have to wonder what made them so close.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.

Also, this bomb reminds me. I've considered before that Pearls probably know their owners very well, faults included. I doubt Yellow or Blue (well, beyond Blue not doing her job) would ever be so emotional in front of any other gem.

Yellow Diamond is not always the confident, intelligent leader, and her Pearl knows this. Blue Pearl knows why her Diamond disappears so often.

edited 3rd Jan '17 11:13:30 PM by SilentColossus

This was a great Bomb. Got to see Blue Diamond, got to see more of the gem world, got to see Ruby and Sapphire kicking ass and having more to do than being Sickening Sweethearts, got to see Garnet show some flaws to reverse the Flanderization the previous season gave her, got to see Amethyst being accepted by all her sisters (who are super cool), got to see them go to a whole 'nother country (with a great fourth wall gag), got a neat song out of it all. Adventures in Light Distortion and Human Zoo had me almost crying from laughter. And Blue Diamond is beautiful. Anyone know her voice actor?

Anyway I guess this indicates that rumored leak pic of Corrupted Fusion Jasper is a fake?

They're sisters from an immortal species. Some people spend their whole lives grieving for family they lost no matter how long ago it was. Doesn't need to mean that their bond was unusual in its closeness. Some people just deal differently. I know Stephen Colbert has gone on record about how he still misses his father and brothers from when he was a child.

By the way I guess Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond are still under the impression that the Cluster is active. I wonder if this is going to go anywhere, whether it's that they find out and reactivate the Cluster, or whether Steven realizes the Cluster has only be temporarily disabled.

edited 4th Jan '17 12:00:53 AM by AlleyOop

There's also the matter of how people close to you dying reminds you of the horror of your own mortality.

@Pearl Confidante:

@Steven's Pre-Zoo Processing:

edited 4th Jan '17 3:27:52 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

First, by the way, almost forgot to mention how I love the contrast of Ruby in these episodes with how she was when she was angry at Pearl. She's way better at maintaining focus and directing her anger productively. I suppose it helps that there's the very strong suggestion that Sapphire was in perfect agreement with Ruby on that. Also, interesting that "shatterer" was said by Ruby as a slur against Blue Diamond... considering that Sapphire wasn't threatened with shattering, I wonder if it means Ruby is finally starting to develop a sense of self-worth (as opposed to being all "Who cares? There's dozens of me!").

Also, Pearl's reaction to the idea of the human zoo calls back something from "The Return" - the Crystal Gems don't want to come off like alien invaders, to the extent that they don't want to believe that their opponents would do something as horrible as put humans in a zoo. They don't want anyone to think that any of their species would do such a thing, even if those others from their species is the enemy.

@2264 Funny as that is, it does come with the gut punch realization that canon Rose never really got to tell Steven anything. It works better if Greg is the one who comes to the "I see why Rose didn't talk about this" realization.

@2265 Well... in that regard, Blue Diamond is kind of like a Shadow Archetype to Crystal Gem Pearl - losing someone incredibly dear to them, someone that was supposed to be immortal, and trying to cope with your own immortality in regards to that. The differences being twofold. One, we only saw Pearl dealing with it after about 14 years - that level of continuing grief is palpable to us, because we can imagine (or perhaps know from experience or seeing someone else experience it) someone mourning a loved one for that long. The idea of being in mourning for over two orders of magnitude longer is almost too oppressive to think about.

The other, of course, is that Pearl has been making active efforts to move on, while Blue Diamond clearly is not. It's really instructive that this bomb came right after "Three Gems And A Baby," because just compare Pearl in the flashback to Blue Diamond today - incredibly similar. Pearl started to come out of it when she was able to take Garnet's words to heart at the end of that episode, even though she didn't really make strides on the issue until "Mr. Greg."

@2267 You wanted to bring that up about the Cluster in the main thread, didn't you. I had to split the difference when talking about it there.

We know for a fact that they still believe that the Cluster is active, because both Diamonds talked about it happening in the near future. Also, it's highly likely that the Diamonds have no way of tracking the Cluster's progress from off-Earth; if they did, they wouldn't have needed to send Peridot planet-side.

On that, a few musings for the future (in spoiler tags, in case folks don't want to see them).

One, regarding Blue Diamond and how she's been portrayed somewhat sympathetically: I could see Greg really getting through to her and getting her to start to realize the error of her ways. And then, before she could use her power to help out the Crystal Gems or Earth in general, Yellow Diamond shatters her. I feel like the groundwork for a total Redemption Equals Death or Heel–Face Door-Slam moment is being laid out here. This also has the potential for Yellow Diamond to get Eviler than Thou, Kick the Dog, and maybe even Moral Event Horizon added to her list.

Two, regarding the Cluster: Homeworld would need a technician on that. And we already established who the technicians are... which means we could get a Homeworld Peridot versus Crystal Gem Peridot showdown. This could show character growth, the potential for powers, some I Hate Past Me hijinx, and maybe finally answer the question of where Peri is going to put the star.

Three, regarding the zoo: I suspect that, once the Diamonds have gone, the Amethysts are going to take it over and start a mini-rebellion. Holly Blue is going to go to Earth to try to get the Crystal Gems to save face, and she's going to be the next Recurring Boss.

Four, regarding Pink Diamond: Between the human zoo and the fact that she apparently had at least two gems - Rose Quartz and Amethyst - exclusive to her, she's going to turn out to have been the "scientist" of the Diamonds and was just putting everything together for experimentation. She wasn't unnecessarily cruel - note the humane treatment of the humans in the zoo - but she only cared about learning for the results.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.

That zoo would be an amazing holiday resort, choosening and all.

The scene with Greg breaking their hearts was priceless.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

So a lot of people are saying Blue Diamond had romantic feelings for Pink. Is that true? Because I didnt get that

That's the Shipping Goggles the SU fandom tends to wear. The relationship between the Diamonds thus far looks far more sisterly than anything romantic.

@32: I seriously doubt Yellow would do that, though I could absolutely see Yellow showing up with a massive invasion fleet after finding out about the Crystal Gems and the Cluster, only for Blue Diamond to object and refuse to budge, causing Yellow Diamond to back off for a time at least in the season finale, and probably forcing White Diamond to step in due to her junior co-rulers feud.

Which would produce some very interesting character moments for Garnet in particular, considering how much Blue Diamond scares her. We might also get to learn more about Lapis's background on homeword since she is seemingly also one of Blue Diamond's gem castes.

edited 4th Jan '17 7:34:11 AM by CaptainCapsase

I'm going forward with my "remote draft" plan unless someone else has objections.

Time for grieving is best measured in experience, especially for people that don't age. Pearl's life has been very eventful since Steven was born because she's having significant contact with someone aging at a human rate. Gems otherwise view long-term passage of time something like 1000 as fast as humans—for diamonds, it might be even longer.

I don't like that some people are already suggesting that Garnet was exaggerating in the flashback. Sure it was traumatic for Ruby and Sapphire, but look at Blue when she thinks Sapphire was messing up. She's a grieving sister, but that doesn't take away the fact that she's threatened and probably has shattered many Gems in the past, still went along with the Cluster, and made the corruption song to screw over every Gem (Crystal and loyalist alike) just to keep them from having their victory.

Her tone there was cold. It doesn't matter how nice or even sympathetic you are about it, atrocities cannot be forgiven so easily, not to the Cluster, the Gem experiments, or Centipeedle and her crew.

It's not like Garnet's story had room for Unreliable Narrator in terms of Blue Diamond's portrayal: Blue Diamond's only significant action was ordering Ruby shattered for fusing with Sapphire. If that was a lie, Garnet's origin makes no sense.