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A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.

Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.

Please put any spoilers behind tags and clearly state which work(s) they apply to.

    Original OP 
For discussing any racial, gender, and orientation misdoings happening across various movies and the film industry today.

This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.


(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#14951: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:16:42 AM

Hmm, I'm becoming increasingly apprehensive about this movie.

Still, at least it isn't "brownface stuntmen" bad.

Disgusted, but not surprised
thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#14952: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:40:14 AM

“That would require moving the film about 2000+ years into the future from where it's originally set.“

And you think Disney would care because ?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#14953: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:45:39 AM

The animated movie is a mash of elements from different dynasties anyway. And the source text is very vague about when Mulan supposedly fought.

But, yeah, I have been apprehensive about his movie from day one. Mulan is one of the best female characters Disney ever created but I am not sure that they are aware that what makes her so great is not that she is able to swing a sword but how she deals with her insecurities.

edited 13th Apr '18 3:46:49 AM by Swanpride

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#14954: Apr 13th 2018 at 5:42:18 AM

By impersonating a soldier and joining the army? :D

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#14955: Apr 13th 2018 at 6:26:32 AM

but I am not sure that they are aware that what makes her so great is not that she is able to swing a sword but how she deals with her insecurities.
What makes you say that?

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#14956: Apr 13th 2018 at 7:34:19 AM

Her whole story is over her identity crisis, how she realizes that joining the army was never about saving her father, or at least not just about saving her father. She did it to prove herself, that she was good at, or good for something. That she mattered, that she could make a difference.

Mulan is entirely a personal identity story, to the point where it's a favorite among many transgender folks, who deal with a similar struggle in their personal lives.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#14957: Apr 13th 2018 at 1:49:13 PM

So for those not aware, DC currently has a live action Titans show that will be airing on their currently unnamed streaming service. Recently some set photos were leaked that didn't exactly show the costumes in a flattering light. And there were some pretty ugly comments directed at Anna Diop who is playing Starfire (many comments compared her to a prostitute"). Anyway, here is her response

https://screenrant.com/titans-tv-show-anna-diop-starfire-backlash/

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#14958: Apr 13th 2018 at 1:52:03 PM

Yeah that costume looks kinda... yeesh. But none of that is exactly the actor's fault nor is it so in most cases of WTH, Costuming Department?. Looks like a bunch of assholes just wanted an excuse to be assholes.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#14959: Apr 13th 2018 at 1:58:42 PM

For all three of the titans the actors seem alright but the costumes are dreadful, just dreadful.

It looks less like the Titans and more like a breakfast club remake with funny hair colours.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#14960: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:20:18 PM

That is... not even remotely recognizable.

How is that supposed to be Starfire?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#14961: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:25:23 PM

It's a candid photo of an actor standing around the set wearing a costume, without proper framing, lighting, or CGI enhancements. I'm not surprised that it's not particularly flattering.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#14962: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:38:24 PM

The fundamental costume design is godawful for all three of them (Raven, Beast Boy and Starfire).

I'm not sure how much CGI and lighting are gonna fix that.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#14963: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:44:12 PM

According to someone who works on the show, this won't even be Kory's main look. She'll only be dressed like that for the one scene. Also, these costumes probably aren't finished.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#14964: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:46:58 PM

They already have way too much mismatched crap on them, how are they not finished? What more could you possibly throw at these?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#14965: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:52:47 PM

Can I also just point out that the reason this is relevant to the thread is "this actress has been on the receiving end of racist abuse because she's a black woman in a set photo," not "THIS SHOW LOOKS LIKE ASS."

This is the Film Diversity and Representation Thread, not the Complain About Costume Designs You Don't Like thread.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#14966: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:55:59 PM

Sad to say that I was expecting this from the moment she got cast. Glad to see she's trying her best to handle it well if her response is any indication.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#14967: Apr 13th 2018 at 2:56:38 PM

I mean, there have been some comments like that but the majority I've seen are "that costume is shit".

There have been a lot of complaints that Starfire isn't orange, but I think that's the problem of a TV show not having enough budget for that kind of makeup. (Though they could have at least gotten a better wig because for heaven's sake look at that thing).

edited 13th Apr '18 2:57:00 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#14968: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:00:53 PM

Yeah, uh, I don't care if "not ALL of the comments are racist." Racist abuse is racist abuse, and this thread's topic is this thread's topic. There isn't some arbitrary threshold of popularity racism has to reach before it can be talked about.

If literally all you want to do is complain about the costume rather than the racism, then do it in a different thread.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#14969: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:01:02 PM

The show does look like ass, though...

But yeah, I'm not remotely surprised she got hate speech. She's a black woman interacting with a nerd property. Of course she got hate speech.

It's awful that "of course" should be put like that.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#14970: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:04:58 PM

Yeah, the costume look awkard and awfull, which is have to be with this thread since like always, the falling of thise show(if it have one) will reflect more on then that anything else.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#14971: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:09:07 PM

The show looks like ass and Starfire’s actress looks horribly miscast.

THAT BEING SAID, no, the abuse she got for a photo that looks designed to make her look bad is undeserved, cruel, and there’s no justification for it. Standard BS gatekeeping at work. You can say it looks like ass without being a racist prick.

edited 13th Apr '18 3:09:54 PM by Beatman1

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#14972: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:11:26 PM

This story is a really weird thing for everybody to interpret as an invitation to start Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, not gonna lie.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#14973: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:14:51 PM

[up]The problem is it’s a beloved nerd property. If she looked unflattering in a courtroom drama, no one would really be this vitriolic. But it’s The Titans, who were and are a big deal. So the fact that it looks awful is something everyone feels necessary to chime in on.

I also think people want to separate their vitriol for the show and their disgust at the comments laid at the actress.

edited 13th Apr '18 3:15:50 PM by Beatman1

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#14974: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:18:03 PM

Cool, so can you all please separate it into some other thread where it isn't an off-topic derailment?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#14975: Apr 13th 2018 at 3:23:17 PM

I'm also not seeing anything that would indicate she's "miscast" in the role anyway.


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