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Apr 10th 2019 at 11:10:36 AM

Sivana Alyra Rose is now the first Black-Native woman to headline a Netflix film, Chambers.

Apr 10th 2019 at 11:50:20 AM

Regarding disability in the MCU: Yes, the characters usually get some ridiculous advanced prosthetic, but there is always some time spend to first make clear that the loss of a limp is an actual loss, and that the transaction to a prosthetic isn't easy. Ao S has one character losing a hand and then makes a point that "no new hand feels right" - though by now said hand (which looks like a real one, btw) often has all kind of nifty gadgets. Another character loses both arms and spends multiple episodes recovering before getting new arms...and then there is some angsting over being "half robot" as well as some adjustment period before the arms can really used properly. In the case of the Netflix shows, Misty doesn't have her arm immediately in Luke Cage 2, instead she first has to deal with having only only one arm (and that includes having trouble doing her paperwork) while everyone around her other than her friends treat her differently and kind of look down on her. She basically has to recover psychologically first and when she gets her arm there is again an adjustment period. And in Punisher there is a character who has lost a leg, and since he doesn't have a billionaire as best friend or works for a government organisation with all kind of tech, he has to deal with a standard model. Doesn't look all that comfortable.

On the flipside, Thor losing his eye is a minor inconvenience and Fury never seems to be overly bothered about losing his either.

So...mixed bag, but if they have the time, they do get out of their way to acknowledge that no matter HOW nifty the new prothesis is, it is not really the same as still having a fully functioning body.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Apr 10th 2019 at 1:19:52 PM

I'm seeing too many people in Twitter brush off Joker 2019 as nothing but a "poor symphathetic white man going insane because society is unfair" as if the movie was an incel power fantasy.

I think it's the fact that every time mental illness is portrayed in media, it's always about a white person (usually a white man, at that).

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Apr 10th 2019 at 1:23:52 PM

Thereís just so many of these movies. As a white woman, Iím sick and tired of edgy movies where a white guy goes through less crap than the average woman or person of color, and then he turns violent, and weíre supposed to find this... what, sympathetic? Edgy? Clever? Itís been done, over and over and over.

Oh, and mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of abuse/violence than perpetrators. So thatís fun.

Edited by wisewillow on Apr 10th 2019 at 1:24:36 AM

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Apr 10th 2019 at 1:28:29 PM

Oh, and mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of abuse/violence than perpetrators. So thatís fun.

That's part of the reason why I get testy when people connect mental illness to school shooters.

99% of the time the problem with those people is not mental illness but poisonous ideologies. If anything people with mental illness are much more likely to harm themselves than other people.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Apr 10th 2019 at 3:57:28 PM

Of course, in the trailer, we do see that this version of the (soon-to-be) Joker is harassed and beaten, and he seems to live a rather depressing life having to care of his mom, with no one else around.

But yeah, the whole "mad people are violent!" things is something that needs to die already.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Apr 10th 2019 at 4:47:05 PM

I just don't like Joker being sympathetic.

There is a certain joy to Complete Monster characters. Making someone sympathetic sometimes doesn't work, hold them accountable dammit!

Or perhaps that would be a boring movie to some.

Angry rat.
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Apr 10th 2019 at 5:14:43 PM

I really don't get why someone did a Joker solo film. Is literally edgefest material trying to be deeeeeeeeeeep because everyone wants to do the new The Killing Joke, I really don't see a reason for it.

Please. Just leave the Clown rest.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 10th 2019 at 7:16:26 AM

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Does this look like the face of Mercy?
Apr 10th 2019 at 5:57:42 PM

Alas, if the source material is unwilling to let the clown rest than I don't see any chance that adaptations will either.

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Apr 10th 2019 at 6:10:27 PM

We need some massive lose of money to convince them.

Seriously DC, why? You got a hatedom for being Darker and Edgier, so why you literally are doing a movie about the archetypal modern edgelord.

Seirously, the Joker is boring by himself, is his relation with the Batman mythos (both heroes and villains) what makes him fun.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 10th 2019 at 8:11:07 AM

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fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Apr 10th 2019 at 6:14:20 PM

I recommend reserving your judgement until we see the movie.

The trailers indicate a sympathetic portrayal of Joker but what if trailers are lying?

Never Trust a Trailer

Angry rat.
Apr 10th 2019 at 6:24:56 PM

The trailer are a media work in their own right. While there is the possibility that the movie may be subversive in depicting the Joker in not to be sympathized with, the trailers portraying him as someone sympathetic equal equivalent works of fiction sending the opposite message to society.

Apr 10th 2019 at 6:29:14 PM

Its gotten so out of hand with the Clown Prince there's three Jokers at the same time last I heard. One of whom might even be immortal.

Along with the Batman who Laughs who is a twisted mockery of Batman+Joker as one.

But when Gotham is an eldritch home that collects madness it seems inevitable.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 10th 2019 at 6:31:36 AM

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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Apr 10th 2019 at 6:32:05 PM

I think it's kinda pointless to ask "what if the trailers are lying?" right now. I mean, sure, trailers are often misleading but we don't have anything else to go on. "Trailers are misleading" is only something we can say in hindsight.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
KazuyaProta There once was a man on Peru- from Spongebob's dreams Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Apr 10th 2019 at 6:35:29 PM

[up][up] To be fair, I actually kinda like The Batman that Laughs, being from a literal AU and all.

Also, given that we're here. I want more DCEU non-white heroes BTW

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 10th 2019 at 8:36:26 AM

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Apr 10th 2019 at 6:43:13 PM

Ill admit it brings a smile to my face seeing how the Joker can't help but frown whenever he sees Batman who Laughs.

fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Apr 10th 2019 at 8:04:39 PM

[up][up] Hmm, so far we have Cyborg and i guess Aquaman? Black Manta if you count villains.

Is The Rock still playing Black Adam?

Edit: Oh right, i forgot Will Smith as Will Smith. And Croc but make-up is cheating.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Apr 10th 2019 at 12:05:04 PM

Angry rat.
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA
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Apr 10th 2019 at 8:43:50 PM

Ngl, that trailer description makes me think of another Joaquim Phoenix movie

Apr 11th 2019 at 11:25:04 AM

Lin Manuel-Miranda announces the starring cast of the In The Heights movie.

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Apr 11th 2019 at 5:42:30 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I mean, counting Croc is fine. He's coded as SUPER black ("BET") so yeah.

KazuyaProta There once was a man on Peru- from Spongebob's dreams Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Apr 11th 2019 at 6:37:15 PM

@Fasoman: Yeah, I want more of that.

Also, if we count secondary, add Billy's family too. I want to see more of them, especially how they act without Billy

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 11th 2019 at 8:38:18 AM

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czhang from Canada Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Apr 11th 2019 at 7:26:28 PM

Not sure if someone's posted it already, but Cinemax made the first episode of Warrior available for free on facebook. If you haven't heard of it, it's a new series based on a Bruce Lee concept and directed by Justin Lin about the Tong Wars in San Francisco Chinatown in the 1880s. I watched it and I'm in Canada, so it doesn't seem to be geolocked to the US which is nice since I kind of had resigned myself to guiltily pirating it waiting for the DVD release or something.

Things I liked:

  • The action! It's great. Feels very classic HK film but also American? Idk if I'm explaining myself well but I liked it. Not wuxia-inspired like Into the Badlands, but more like 70s kung fu films (I'm not great on my cinema history so I could have the decade wrong)
  • Totally bypassing making all the actors speak either Cantonese or accented English. It works, the audience gets that they're speaking Cantonese to each other, and I don't have to listen to bad Cantonese.
  • Actually using Cantonese instead of Mandarin (low standards, maybe, but it's happened enough that I'm pleased)
  • Again, maybe low standards, but a whole big cast of Asian characters who all have very different personalities! Ah Sahm's such a hothead, I love it.
  • Actually, I don't think I've seen the Tongs in Western media from the perspective of the Tongs at all? So that's also nice. Lots of different motivations and potential for DRAMA
  • I'm pretty sure Ah Sahm being mixed Chinese/White (he says he had a British grandfather) is a reference to Bruce Lee which I thought was sweet.
  • Ah Toy! I'm always here for Olivia Cheng fucking shit up and giving assholes the beating they need

Things I didn't like:

  • Andrew Koji's Cantonese is not good. Like, it's recognizable, and I can kinda get what he's saying, but it's worse than mine and I stopped learning when I was 3. He's British Japanese, so he wouldn't have any background in the language, but it would be nice if they had a bit more coaching for the few Canto lines he has. The other characters don't sound like native speakers but they're a lot more natural than him.
  • I'm not sure how I feel about the lead and a few of the other mains being played by non-Chinese actors? For diaspora characters I don't usually mind, but these are all recent Chinese immigrants so I'm kinda torn. On the other hand, I know Chinese diaspora actors have largely gotten the lion's share in terms of acting roles, so I definitely don't fault the actors for taking the parts. And in terms of ability, other than language they're all killing it in their roles. So I guess this isn't a full "dislike" but it's not a "like" either. I'm just :| on it.
  • I know it's historically accurate but I'm not thrilled to hear slurs thrown around.
  • Gonna reserve judgement for a few more episodes, but I'm getting a couple red flags in terms of how the show treats women. Again, I know it's historically accurate, but all the Asian female characters are prostitutes/madams, and there's a lot of male gaze going on in the brothel scenes. They do seem like great characters with great actresses so again, reserving judgement until later

Overall I liked it, wish the rest of it was being released in Canada.

Oh also I haven't watched it yet, but the first episode of the What We Do In The Shadows series is up for free too. One of the leads is Turkish (played by an actor of Iranian descent) and another is Latino. Another is apparently supposed to be Romani, but her actress isn't, I think? All I can find is that she's of Cypriot descent.

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Apr 12th 2019 at 3:01:42 AM

Daniel Dae Kim set to play Ben Daimio in Hellboy after Ed Skrein turned down the role

"What he did meant so much to me personally, and more importantly on a cultural level," Kim said of Skrein.

Kim accepted the gig as Daimio, and only had the flight to London to practice his lines and British accent. But his other priority was finding and thanking Skrein. He asked the producers for Skrein's contact and invited him out to lunch.

"Within 10 minutes of our conversation, I knew how genuine he was, and that he had written that statement," Kim said. "It meant a lot to me to talk to him in detail about where his heart is and what he meant by it."

Kim has been on the other end of fighting for representation, stepping down from his role in the CBS show "Hawaii Five-0" along with co-star Grace Park, after it was reported they were seeking more equitable pay but failed to reach a contract. Kim said Skrein has deep empathy for actors of color.

"The issue bonded us immediately," Kim said. "I'm happy to say we've seen each other a few times since then, and I genuinely call him a friend. It's one thing for actors of color to be fighting for diversity. It's much more meaningful when people of other races think about this issue. That's when real change happens."

In an ideal future, people can look back to last year's groundbreaking "Crazy Rich Asians," only the second Hollywood film with a majority cast of Asian descent, and wonder what the big deal was, Kim says.

When he hears casting directors say things like Asian actors are a "challenge" to cast because they're not "expressive," Kim can only laugh.

"It just means they're operating off stereotypes," Kim says. "They really don't know the cultures they're talking about. Nothing could be further from the truth, if you know Koreans."

And for other Asian American hopefuls in entertainment, Kim says "don't let the industry define you."

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